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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right good evening Fade to Black

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today is Tuesday May 9th I am your host

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Jimmy church and our guest tonight is Dr

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Ken Jeremiah and tonight's broadcast is

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brought to you by accidental truth it is

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the new documentary hit documentary now

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streaming on all platforms the links for

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it are below directed by Ron James this

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is the documentary that is a must view

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for everybody in our community so go and

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check it out again the links are below

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and and I say it every time my eight

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chest it makes it it makes the entire

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but there are eight good seconds check

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out Axel Dental truth today our guest

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tonight is Dr Ken Jeremiah and we are

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going to be discussing his research he's

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he's written about uh mummification and

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some other things over the years but all

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of this has led him to the Spear of

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Destiny he has written more than 12

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books about mummification and other

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historical phenomena including Zen arts

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and writing living Buddhas Christian

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mummification Eternal remains remnants

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of a distant past creatures real and

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imaginary in Chinese and Japanese art

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and uh shadowgu the art of tea and

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making millions a 500 year old cabalis

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guy to conquering chance he has appeared

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on numerous podcasts and television

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interviews including History Channels

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Ancient Aliens and The Unexplained with

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jeremiah.com is below we have it over on

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our website and throughout social media

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and I want to get straight to it tonight

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I'm going to say welcome Dr Ken Jeremiah

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for the first time to fade to black

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welcome man how you doing not bad Jimmy

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thanks for having me it's great to be

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here it's good to see you yeah it's good

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to see you and uh you get the First Time

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guest disclaimer and I is this the first

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time you you've been on Fade to block on

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your show yes yeah wow I I I I I thought

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that you were on before and I went and

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I'm getting old uh so you get the First

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is uh it's just you and I sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where that conversation starts it

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starts where it ends it ends but we're

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gonna end his friends all right sounds

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good you accept I accept the rules

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consequences I guess too

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tonight is is gonna be one of those

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uh that uh we know what's about to

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um but uh I have to Let's back up for a

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second because I'm a little confused

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about the road traveled from

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mummification of which you're an expert

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uh to the Spear of Destiny so we're

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I just got back from Egypt

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um on on this last trip and I'm going

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of Egypt and that is where they now have

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the Pharaohs and the families

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the big parade through Cairo and you

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of them you know taking uh and it's very

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it's a very spiritual thing you know

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this is a very special thing for Egypt

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um put them in this new Museum and I was

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know they have 15 of them there I think

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um up close right where you can get

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you're not allowed to photograph you're

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not allowed to talk uh down there it's

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it's very spec it's a sanctuary and you

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have to respect that but um to go up

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close and and look

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um it's like they were they died

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yesterday I don't know how to explain it

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there's a strange there's a strange

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feeling that comes over you because they

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um great condition uh considering you

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know thousands of years have passed

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um and what got your interest into uh

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mummification was it Boris Karloff was

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it the mummy uh

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no it actually had nothing to do with

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Egypt at all um I used to run tour

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groups through Japan and uh I've

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translated a whole bunch of Hiroshima

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people through Tokyo Kyoto and Hiroshima

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decided to go up to Northern Japan and

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explore and um

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gentleman on a train from Sapporo to

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asahikawa that's in Hokkaido Japan's

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northernmost Island and where speaking

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I'm looking for unusual phenomena that I

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haven't seen before in Japan so he asked

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me if I'd seen the Soko shimbuzu and I

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didn't know what that word meant so I

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asked him to explain it and I thought I

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was misunderstanding them because he was

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talking about people who mummified

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themselves while they were still alive

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and it made no sense at all to me but

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that's what he was actually saying and

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he said they were all located in the

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Yamagata Prefecture so I literally got

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got something to eat jumped right back

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on another train and went back back to

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Yamagata Prefecture in that first year I

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Buddhas The Men Who mummified themselves

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while they were still alive and they're

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maybe five on display so what I did I

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did a ton of research on that I

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from French and one from Italian put it

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all together in my book living Buddhas

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shows podcasts and that kind of type of

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thing about the phenomenon

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can I stop you right there Ken for a

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um I'm sure that everybody is a little

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dumbfounded uh you know with that kind

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of statement yeah

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mummification while you are still alive

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two mummification is it exactly what you

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are saying yes and I'll explain it if

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you'd like yes please so they all

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almost everyone who did this was a

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member of the shingon sect of Buddhism

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and that was founded by kobudaishi who

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supposedly sealed himself in a cave and

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his uh hair and fingernails continued to

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grow after his death but of course when

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you're dealing with mummies and the dead

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that type of phenomenon sees seems to

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happen and people just misinterpret it

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what happens is the skin gets dry and

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pulls away exposing more hair and

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exposing more fingernails so when you

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see that in Old text it's nothing

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nothing miraculous or anything like that

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but these individuals were following

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kobudaishi and they were also members of

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a sect called shugenda and after the

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Meiji restoration the government ordered

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the all religions to fall under the

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banner of Shinto or Buddhism and

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basically shugendo picked shingon

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Buddhism and became kind of one with

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that the individuals who engage in this

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process of self-mummification gradually

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cut out the amount of food they ate so

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they call it mokujikigo and mokujikigo

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literally translates to tree eating

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because when they cut out grains they

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substituted the grains with pine bark

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Pine resin and pine needles so they

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continue eating these things that are

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preservative in nature trying to

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literally preserve the body from the

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inside out in two cases there's a lot of

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false information out there and in some

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cases it's really strange because my

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book on the subject is the only book in

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English so people who are getting it

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from an English language book it's

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coming from my book and they're just

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misquoting it I've heard before on

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television shows where people are saying

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that every one of them drank lacquer

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that did not happen and if you're

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drinking straight lack you'll die

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immediately it's it's not like a maybe

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you will die immediately right with two

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of them what happened was

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they had um urushi which comes from a

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tree and it's poisonous it's highly

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poisonous but it was in the water supply

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so they were drinking it but it was a

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small amount it's like if you go to New

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Mexico you can go to certain Spas where

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they have arsenic water and you drink

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arsenic water and you're in it but of

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course pure arsenic will just kill you

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it's really my new to Mark amounts but

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arushi which is a type of lacquer and

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that also helped to preserve the body so

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what they would do

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the reasons behind it are complex and I

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can get into that later if you want but

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basically as time progressed they

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gradually cut out all foods and they

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only had pine bark pine needles Pine

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resin so they're starving themselves to

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death and then at the point they think

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that they're nearing death

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they bury themselves a lot alive in an

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underground coffin and their followers

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would seal the top of the Tomb and put a

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bamboo breathing tube in place

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and in the Tomb they had their Mala

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which are like rosary beads and a belt

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and they would meditate bringing that

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Bell and the followers would wait

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outside the coffin outside the tomb

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until they heard that Bell stop ringing

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and once it stopped ringing they just

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assumed that the individual had died so

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they pulled the breathing tube out

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buried the coffin and they left it there

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for three years

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when they pulled the bodies back out

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after three years and three is

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significant in most world religions

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especially Buddhism

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uh the Buddha the Dharma the Sangha the

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three Noble Truths uh Four Noble Truths

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but you have the three

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um the three paths basically you need to

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to follow the vulnerable truth which is

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through the Noble eighthful Path and

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that kind of stuff but

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once they dug the bodies up if the

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bodies had been preserved they were

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thought to be like Saints the Christian

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a Christian equivalent of saints and

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they were clean redressed and put in a

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special temple Hall called sokobutsudo

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if for some reason the body didn't

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mummify they performed an exorcism and

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simply reburied the body mm-hmm

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that's the whole idea of

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self-mummification and they're known as

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Soko shimbutsu or living Buddhas

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so you eat wood basically and pine bark

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and pine resin yeah right right wow wow

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I I never heard this yeah and uh I I

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love learning something uh for the first

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time

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um okay so let's continue

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um on on this journey here so then that

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if you want led me to Christian

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mummification

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because the whole idea behind the

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Buddhist self-mummification was they

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performed austerities throughout their

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lives and they thought that the body

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possessed an inherent power that could

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be useful for human beings so there are

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many stories especially this one

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individual called tetsamonkai who

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traveled around the countryside

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performing Miracles and he'd witnessed

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an outbreak of an eye illness in Tokyo

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and it was called Edo at the time but he

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sees an outbreak of an eye illness and

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prays for a cure and people who came

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around him were actually cured so they

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were thought to have these miraculous

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powers and they were inherent within the

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body itself but if they simply got rid

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of the body if they burned the body as

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was the tip custom then all the powers

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that are in the body are gone and of

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course they wanted to go to the tushta

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heaven they wanted to train under the

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future Buddha maitreya miroku in

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Japanese who would eventually come and

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help human beings at their greatest time

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of need which is happening don't worry

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anyone it's happening millions of years

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from now but they wanted to train at the

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tush to happen with him so they had to

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direct their own deaths so that's why

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they buried themselves alive in

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meditative posture

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but the whole idea that there's some

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sort of an inherent power in the body

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you see it in a lot of religions where

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they in here in Hawaii we call it Mana

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but you have an Indian religion The

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Prana key in Japanese Chi and Chinese a

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whole bunch of others throughout

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religions in the world

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if there's some sort of a power that's

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inherent in the body you need the body

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preserved and what I started noticing

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was in Catholic and Orthodox

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Christianity the exact same thing

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happens they have actual bodies

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mummified on display throughout Europe

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and before they were behind glass people

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would go up to those bodies and want to

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make physical contact with them and I

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remember going to a church years ago in

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Canada and I forgot the name of it a big

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cathedral but on the way out you see all

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sorts of crutches and canes and that

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type of thing where people who had

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entered the church to pray in front of

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the bone of a saint came out being able

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to walk again where previously they had

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impediments to that

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so the whole idea that there's this

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power inherent in the body is also in

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Christianity

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so what I decided to do was looking to

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the history of Christianity because

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those bodies are everywhere throughout

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Europe the ones that look like they're

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still rosy red they were mummified with

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an arsenic-based solution and there are

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a whole bunch of other different

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solutions every single church member is

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always mummified and even today when you

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go to awake that body has been mummified

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it has formaldehyde for the most part in

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it because if not those bodies would be

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decaying in front of people it would be

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a disgusting site a disgusting display

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instead of something that might be in a

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sense beautiful but at least gives

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people an opportunity to say good their

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goodbyes it's a spiritual tradition so

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that led me to Christianity and

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eventually you can see how now it led me

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to Nazism

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Heinrich Himmler Adolf Hitler and their

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connection with the Roman Catholic

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church and the Red Cross and then to the

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spirit of Destiny obviously so it's a

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long trip but it it took me here wow um

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if we

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um that's a great segue actually

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um if we go back throughout history and

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and you look like uh you look at Helen

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uh you look at Charlemagne you look at

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the Knights Templar

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um and others

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um everybody was heading to Jerusalem to

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get biblical relics of some kind whether

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it was you know their search was for the

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Ark of the Covenant uh the True Cross

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the Spear of Destiny the Holy Grail uh

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and you know the list is extremely long

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here uh this has been going on for a

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very long time hasn't it yes it has for

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as long as I can figure out

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um because even before Christian

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mummification started and even before

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the Buddhist mummification started

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um even before the Egyptians started the

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earliest known mummies are in South

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America off the Atacama Coast in Chile

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and Peru and they were the chinchoro

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mummies and the chinchuros had two

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different types of mummification there

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was the red style and the black style

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red style made use of

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uh red ocher and the black style was

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black manganese oxide which was they

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treated the the masks and the rest of

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the body but basically

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a lot of the mummies that were found

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were children which tells us that they

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were grieving parents and wanted the the

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mummies of their children to remain with

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them and they actually displayed them in

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homes and even touched them up as time

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went on but what they would do is

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disgusting as it might seem in Modern

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Times And in in the United States in

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Europe and wherever people are watching

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this

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um what they used to do is take the skin

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off

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flip it inside out and then get rid of

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all the internal organs and restuff the

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body with things like twigs and

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anything else they could find grasses

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Twigs just to prop the body up itself

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then they'd reapply the skin and then

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put a wooden mask over the face or clay

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mask in a couple cases I believe and

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then they would treat the body with

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either Red Oak or a black manganese

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oxide and if you looked at these and you

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didn't know they were human beings

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they look like kind of scary looking

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dolls you might not even know that

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they're actually mummies but if anyone

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if anyone wants to just type in uh

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chinchoro and look for pictures alone

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you'll see a ton tons of examples of

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them now

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um I I don't want to go sideways but you

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just reminded me of something so just

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very briefly uh four or five years ago

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uh the the Nazca mummies appeared uh

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caused quite a bit of uh uh well they

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went viral literally

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um and you know found in Peru and three

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fingers long

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um uh covered in white powder

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um quite a few but the big one uh was

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was quite quite amazing looking

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um what did you what did you make of of

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those do you do you think they were

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authentic

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uh I don't know I really don't know

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um

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some of them definitely look like

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they're real

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um but you can tell the difference too

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um

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so

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real human beings and I don't know why

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they did this but in some cases

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the people who care for the mummies

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today have put wigs on them so last time

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I was in Peru I saw two of them in a

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museum a really small Museum actually

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but they had these wigs that were

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strangely out of place

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you see other ones though that um

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they look like white casts and they show

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three-fingered Peruvian mummies and

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those things I don't believe are even

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mummies I don't think they're human

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beings in there and it's like

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um if anyone's been to Palm Pompeii

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anyone who's watching this if you go to

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Pompeii

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um all the so-called bodies that you're

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looking at aren't bodies at all what

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those are when the Lava Flow came and

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killed people

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when it hit the bodies the bodies have

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gases in them and that kind of thing as

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the the lava was Cooling and the body

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who were literally destroyed the gases

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left to pocket so people came in and

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made plaster casts of the pockets so

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what you're seeing are casts of bodies

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and not actual human bodies so if you

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take a look at those Peruvian mummies

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the NASCAR mummies some of them you can

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look at and say these are blatantly

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human beings and they're in a poor state

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of preservation too they some of them

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you know do have flesh still on the

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bones but others are mostly just bone

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that doesn't mean they're not mummies

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they're still mummies but when you look

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at the white ones and you see like

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online you see things like

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three-fingered Peruvian mummies and that

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kind of thing if this is actually just a

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cast and just from my experience it

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looks like it's a cast of a body you

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could just take two fingers off and

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shave off the edge so it looks like

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nothing was gone that you could you

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could modify those bodies

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I look at that I looked at the MRIs and

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the x-rays of the bones in the hands

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and that's what I found very interesting

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is there was definitely just three bones

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going back to the wrist

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it didn't look like anything was you

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know cut away or funky on the on the

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pinky and also the joints of the fingers

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you know because the fingers were you

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know like a foot long it was just very

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strange to me I'm not a I'm not an

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expert at all in this are these the ones

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that look white from the outside yeah

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they look like plaster cast yeah white

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powder on the outside right yeah I

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didn't realize that

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um that there were MRIs that showed

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bonds the Mr item and x-rayed them and

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they also do tissue samples oh I didn't

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realize that okay yeah yeah yeah so very

541
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this is very strange okay so

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so how did how did uh again you know

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she's you know I was talking about Helen

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and and Charlemagne and the Knights

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Templar and every you know the the pill

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pilgrimage going to Jerusalem looking

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for a Biblical artifacts you know from

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00:23:03,649 --> 00:23:01,919
the time of Jesus and before of course

549
00:23:06,289 --> 00:23:03,659
as well

550
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,299
um and then Hitler he he went around the

551
00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:07,679
world man he was looking for everything

552
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,860
everywhere we've all seen Indiana Jones

553
00:23:14,169 --> 00:23:13,380
right which actually lays it out pretty

554
00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:14,179
well

555
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:16,919
but uh Hitler was going to the Himalayas

556
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:20,220
right I mean he was he was all over the

557
00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:21,960
place looking for these spiritual

558
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:24,900
artifacts that may help him

559
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:28,500
um uh and the Reich take over the world

560
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:32,159
um what led you ultimately to the sphere

561
00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:37,130
um it did have its background in

562
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,539
religion but just to clarify too um

563
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,240
before World War II we're dealing in

564
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:45,360
1930s and Hitler was a big fan of Elena

565
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:49,260
blavatsky uh founder of theosophy he was

566
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:51,960
he he and Himmler especially were big

567
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:54,059
fans of the spiritualism movement that

568
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,720
was in in full effect at that point and

569
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,240
they were recovering from the end of the

570
00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:02,640
second Reich which we'll get into later

571
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,679
um and this is before they actually

572
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,240
started the Third Reich it was it was

573
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,120
just beginning it was primarily Himmler

574
00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:11,280
who was the one looking for Spiritual

575
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,559
artifacts but both Himmler and Hitler

576
00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:15,720
before the war were into occult

577
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,820
practices and they were looking into

578
00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:19,980
everything and bolivatsky had some

579
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,919
strange things going on as far as hiring

580
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:25,080
mediums to contact the spiritual world

581
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,460
and that kind of thing and Hitler and

582
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:28,140
Himmler did the same thing

583
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:31,980
once World War II began though Hitler

584
00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:34,140
actually told Himmler to stop doing that

585
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,799
stuff and he just continued um he he had

586
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,080
a team of people going into Tibet to

587
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,539
find Shambhala and

588
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:44,580
he was looking for Spiritual artifacts

589
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:46,919
everywhere and he was obsessed with the

590
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:48,659
Holy Roman Empire Treasures actually

591
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:50,580
most Germans were because they believed

592
00:24:57,010 --> 00:24:54,600
it was theirs and whether people have

593
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,020
you know looked into this history or not

594
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,360
for years it was in Nuremberg that's

595
00:25:05,149 --> 00:25:03,059
where really belongs from their opinion

596
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:05,159
and they had it moved to Vienna and

597
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:06,780
Austria

598
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:07,440
um

599
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,200
one story goes it's to to get it out of

600
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:12,240
Napoleon's grasp because Napoleon had

601
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:15,059
his sights on it but um they had an

602
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:18,539
affair and uh it was unloan to Vienna

603
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:20,280
and they just never returned it after

604
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,380
that so it ended up being in safe

605
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:25,320
keeping away from Napoleon but

606
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,539
um it stayed there again just because of

607
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:29,880
that fair that they had now

608
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:33,000
um I have heard a few different things

609
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,940
um uh over the years and the Spear of

610
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:37,860
Destiny especially is one of those

611
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:40,740
things just like the True Cross or

612
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:43,260
pieces of the True Cross right

613
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:47,159
um very hard to to get a chain of

614
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,220
custody and and be able to follow it

615
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:52,559
back same thing you know how many holy

616
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:54,179
Grails are there on this planet right

617
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:56,340
now a hundred

618
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:59,580
um uh of different shapes and sizes and

619
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,900
materials

620
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:02,820
um and the Spear of Destiny is kind of

621
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,059
like that too I mean all the way to I

622
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,580
had heard a rumor

623
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:10,440
um and there was a few claims you can

624
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:13,380
laugh at any point if you want but I had

625
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:15,720
heard a rumor that the United States got

626
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:17,640
the Spear of Destiny brought it back

627
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,820
here because they wanted to keep it safe

628
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:22,980
and they were the ones that returned it

629
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:26,220
uh to Vienna but the one that they

630
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,679
returned to Vienna was a copy and the

631
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:30,120
real one is still here in the United

632
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:33,000
States I mean stories like that is that

633
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:37,980
is that is there any reality to this

634
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:39,059
um

635
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,740
so

636
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:42,799
well I'm going to get into the specifics

637
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,960
regarding the Spear of Destiny and all

638
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,240
the copies and that kind of thing in

639
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,919
much more detail later

640
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:51,840
but

641
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:53,460
there are some people out there in the

642
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:55,860
United States who know a bit more than I

643
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,140
do about this subject and I broached

644
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,659
that once I said do you think it's

645
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,179
possible that the one in Vienna is not

646
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:06,059
the oldest Lance that the the real one

647
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:09,960
was taken by the US and switched and

648
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:11,340
they said

649
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,260
this is one individual in particular I'm

650
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,659
thinking of he's 86 years old extremely

651
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,940
intelligent on this subject

652
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,880
um and he sparked my interest even more

653
00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:22,799
than than I already more interest than I

654
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,419
already had regarding the Spear of

655
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,220
Destiny the Lance that stabbed the side

656
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:27,840
of Jesus

657
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,020
um but he said no that did didn't happen

658
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:33,900
at all and then I started reading a

659
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:35,220
whole bunch of books because I'm working

660
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:36,900
on a book on this beer of Destiny I'm

661
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,900
about 240 Pages deep right now but I

662
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:41,520
started reading some books by Kenneth

663
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,460
Alford and I have one in front of me

664
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,600
um

665
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:47,880
and he wrote a whole book a whole bunch

666
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,700
of books about how U.S soldiers were

667
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:53,279
stealing Nazi artifacts and even Jewish

668
00:27:57,490 --> 00:27:56,039
artifacts that the Nazis had stolen and

669
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,500
bringing them back to the United States

670
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,179
so in the United States during World War

671
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:02,400
II

672
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:04,020
um there were a whole whole bunch of

673
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:06,059
people especially in the art world that

674
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,620
supported the Nazis

675
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:10,440
and a lot of the money or at least some

676
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:12,600
of the money I should say that the Nazis

677
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:14,039
needed actually came from the United

678
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:16,260
States individuals within the United

679
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,820
States not the government but

680
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,380
individuals especially within the art

681
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,720
world and some really big names and

682
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,220
there are tons of books on the subject

683
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,200
and I recommend Ken Alfred's books he

684
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,840
wrote about three of them but in two of

685
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:29,400
the books he wrote

686
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,039
I noticed something a little bit weird

687
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,340
and um

688
00:28:39,529 --> 00:28:37,320
it had to do with him mentioning that

689
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:39,539
there was a copy of the Holy Roman

690
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:43,799
Empire Treasures that were actually in

691
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:47,400
um the Fort Benning Museum in Georgia

692
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,039
and I called Fort Benning

693
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,799
said I'm working on my own book I'd like

694
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,960
to come down and see the copies because

695
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,460
I talked to my older friend and he's

696
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,360
like

697
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,240
that doesn't make any sense we know who

698
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:02,880
created himmler's Lance we know who made

699
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,820
the akan copy the Viennese Lance we have

700
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:07,559
a good idea of when and where it was

701
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:09,779
made the actual person who put it

702
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,940
together a different story and I'll get

703
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:13,500
into that later

704
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,400
um

705
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,600
but

706
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,000
he said there's no way this happened so

707
00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:20,820
I called Ken Alford and I said I read

708
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:23,960
three of your books you mentioned this

709
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:27,600
Fort Benning when I called them said we

710
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,399
don't have anything like that

711
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,980
I said it's not on display I have the

712
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:33,720
Ascension numbers it's downstairs can

713
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:37,080
you go check on it for me and they said

714
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:38,760
no we don't have to check there's no

715
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:40,260
essential number like that it doesn't

716
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,340
exist

717
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,919
so I called Ken Alford and I said

718
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:45,899
they're telling me this never existed

719
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:48,120
here you have it in three of your books

720
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,059
can you explain this and at first no

721
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:52,860
offense to him I I didn't know him at

722
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,179
the time

723
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,100
um I thought maybe he embellished his

724
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:58,080
books uh you know I like when I'm

725
00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:59,880
reading something I'm really skeptical

726
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:02,340
until I can you know three other sources

727
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:04,500
basically I'm looking for information on

728
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,820
and if you're dealing with something

729
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:07,620
like this I want to see the actual

730
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,260
objects right the Museum's saying they

731
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,200
didn't have it so Ken Alford

732
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,419
sent me

733
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:17,520
all the documentation that he actually

734
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,940
used in the book and let me see if I can

735
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:22,320
blow this up just so I can read it

736
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:26,760
carefully it says this is from the um

737
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,919
from the office of the Provost Marshal

738
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:30,419
General the United States Army

739
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,820
Washington DC it says subject

740
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:35,279
investigation of alleged grand larceny

741
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:38,820
regarding Lieutenant Colonel Joseph W

742
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:40,260
Hensel

743
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:41,580
and

744
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:46,880
that he sent me this is his actual

745
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,460
unclassified military documents and

746
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:52,380
documents from the museum itself which

747
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:53,880
include

748
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,940
under this it says exhibits a b c and d

749
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,460
and it has descriptions of the objects

750
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:01,320
that are at Fort Benning

751
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:03,419
um Museum

752
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,399
and Fort batting is saying they have no

753
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:07,260
knowledge of this I sent that to them

754
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,940
and they said you're going to have to

755
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,100
speak to someone who's in charge but it

756
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,380
was like a like someone high up high

757
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:15,600
ranking in the Army and they told me

758
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:18,360
they wouldn't give me any information

759
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:22,860
that it didn't exist and what I had what

760
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,179
wasn't real they wouldn't even talk to

761
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:26,460
me about it and I I called Ken Alfred

762
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:28,140
again and I said this is what just

763
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,059
happened and he said the last time he

764
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:32,279
was down there talking about it they

765
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,260
actually pulled a gun on him and said

766
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,480
that they escorted him out and then they

767
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:38,700
called him a Neo-Nazi outside

768
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:41,880
no you just said descriptions a b c and

769
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:44,520
d uh what were in those descriptions

770
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,389
I mean I'm assuming that one of those is

771
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,919
the Spear of Destiny right so here we

772
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,720
got right here

773
00:32:01,789 --> 00:32:00,000
as this goes through and it is a ton of

774
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,799
it so

775
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:03,840
just to give you an example here

776
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:05,700
and I don't have the photographs but it

777
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,140
starts with the photographs attached to

778
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,720
this basic Community communication we're

779
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,460
compared with the originals and it was

780
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:13,200
established Beyond possibility of a

781
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,700
doubt that the photograph represent

782
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:17,279
pictures of crude replicas of the crown

783
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:19,980
scepter and the Imperial Apple now keep

784
00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:23,220
in mind the US government told me this

785
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:25,799
doesn't exist and this is this is

786
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,820
Declassified uh information from them it

787
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:32,340
says photographs of the original and

788
00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:34,919
authentic Crown scepter and Imperial

789
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,659
Apple are attached when I don't have

790
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:38,520
those pictures and these photographs

791
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,260
were compared by Lieutenant Colonel

792
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,899
Edwin cretzman with the authentic

793
00:32:47,389 --> 00:32:45,120
articles and are hereby certified to be

794
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:47,399
photographs of Originals the chief

795
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,659
points of difference which are

796
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,399
resolution from the photographs of the

797
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,600
following and this is where we get into

798
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,279
the a b c and d

799
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,740
a in the crown the enamel panels I'm not

800
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,760
going to go through the whole thing but

801
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:58,860
just a general idea the enamel panels

802
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,779
representing various historic figures in

803
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,220
the original have been replaced by

804
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,320
panels depicting a crude Imperial Eagle

805
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:06,720
the size shape and setting of the stones

806
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,340
are quite different in the two versions

807
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,279
and it continues then B the differences

808
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:13,140
between the original of the Imperial

809
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,179
apple and the imitation are immediately

810
00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:16,320
obvious

811
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:18,539
see the differences between the original

812
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:21,059
scepter are chiefly discernible in the

813
00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,620
base of the scepter in which the

814
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,419
imitation comes to a triangular Point

815
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,640
while the genuine receptor is delicately

816
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,440
informed with a slight rise in the

817
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:30,360
middle and that continues from there

818
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:31,559
and

819
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:46,140
read this receive date it says

820
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,179
11 December 1945. wow so

821
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:53,640
the thing is they're saying this doesn't

822
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:55,860
exist now there's no doubt in my mind

823
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,140
that it's a it's a copy of the Holy

824
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:00,840
Roman Empire Treasures but

825
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,480
the one in Vienna are the Holy Roman

826
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:05,820
Empire Treasures they're the real ones

827
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,119
there was a copy in aachen

828
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,220
there was another copy of one of the

829
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,899
items in Rome

830
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,700
and then you had

831
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:15,599
um

832
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:21,540
General Patton who was also obsessed

833
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,179
with the spear but I haven't been able

834
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,339
to find anything to substantiate that

835
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,220
there are some soldiers that claim that

836
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,800
he was carrying around a spear that

837
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,540
looked just like the one in Vienna after

838
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,599
the one in Vienna was put into

839
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,359
safekeeping so if there was another one

840
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,580
maybe he had a copy of it made just like

841
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,139
Himmler had a copy of it made and we'll

842
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,780
get into that in more detail after but

843
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,280
the one in Georgia

844
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:49,919
it doesn't matter if it's copy or not

845
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,500
we don't know who would have made it and

846
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,960
to me it's obvious now that it did exist

847
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:57,359
at that Museum and for whatever reason

848
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,500
it's gone so it was stolen once perhaps

849
00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:03,119
maybe it was made here in the United

850
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,420
States but maybe someone stole it again

851
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:08,520
because even the copies are worth a

852
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:12,000
fortune yeah that's right that's right

853
00:35:19,329 --> 00:35:16,380
um and the uh okay can I pull up this

854
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,339
first image so everybody can kind of

855
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,040
understand a little bit about what we're

856
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:26,040
talking because this starts to get

857
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:29,579
um uh pretty complex but this is also a

858
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,660
very very fun and interesting subject to

859
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:35,760
get into and I think all of this have a

860
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:37,380
general interest in in the Spear of

861
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,339
Destiny which uh is the spear that

862
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:43,380
pierced the body of Christ when he was

863
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,300
on the cross

864
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:47,880
um now before I bring up this image

865
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:49,560
um I wanted your comment on one thing

866
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,020
because everybody will be able to see

867
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,300
exactly what I'm bringing up right now

868
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:56,700
when you see this

869
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,400
um in the images of the Spear of Destiny

870
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,920
that that are out there including the

871
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:03,900
one in Vienna

872
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:08,099
um that the outside that looks like a

873
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:12,060
knife and a knife blade is not the spear

874
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:15,140
that is a that is a protective

875
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:17,940
ornamental thing that's on the outside

876
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,240
of the actual spear which is

877
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,480
um like a nail I I don't have a better

878
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,000
way to explain

879
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,920
if if you don't mind instead of pulling

880
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:31,380
that image up first how about just the

881
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,300
image of a real first century Roman

882
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,180
Lance and I sent it to you earlier okay

883
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:38,940
um which is I believe you're talking

884
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:42,300
about the this

885
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,320
yes okay all right so

886
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:48,720
what's going to happen next for those of

887
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,180
you watching or listening to this and I

888
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,800
hope you're watching it because these

889
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,960
images you're gonna see something on the

890
00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:56,160
show

891
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:57,900
but you won't be able to find a picture

892
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,140
of anywhere and this show is honestly

893
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,780
the first time it's ever going to be

894
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:05,820
shown publicly

895
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:07,079
um

896
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:10,920
what I I I I I hope you have a security

897
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:14,220
team in place by the way it's it's gone

898
00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:17,640
it's gone okay it's not where you would

899
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:20,520
ever think it is right now let's not get

900
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:24,060
ahead of our skis yes all right so radio

901
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,829
so you know it's difficult sometimes uh

902
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:32,880
just I don't mean to like interrupt this

903
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,680
whole like presentation but it's

904
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,480
difficult sometimes because I've spent

905
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,640
the last like five years doing research

906
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,680
on this for the book I mean I've read

907
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,440
thousands of pages of stuff I've spoken

908
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,599
to so many people and I have so many

909
00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:47,280
historical artifacts that have to do

910
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,420
with this so this is a Roman Lance

911
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,579
um that I purchased years ago this is a

912
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,960
first century Roman Lance and that's

913
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:57,240
what it looks like and this one is

914
00:38:01,490 --> 00:38:00,060
extremely well preserved and it's been

915
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:01,500
treated so you don't have to worry about

916
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:03,960
human oil a lot of time on with blades

917
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,020
you have to really worry about human oil

918
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:09,119
um because it destroys it we actually

919
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:10,680
had this thing treated so you can handle

920
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:12,119
it without gloves or anything like that

921
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:15,480
but before this thing comes up just note

922
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:18,119
that's what a real uh first century

923
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:19,800
Roman Lance looks like

924
00:38:26,569 --> 00:38:22,920
and then we always picture you know a

925
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:26,579
lance or a spear a spear tip you know to

926
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:29,220
look like right okay obviously there

927
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,500
would have been a wooden uh staff you

928
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:34,880
know attached to this there right

929
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:38,760
yeah I can shut this sorry I had to shut

930
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,140
that window oh okay all right over here

931
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,000
it's fine that's fine um and yeah

932
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,579
everybody you can see um I have to

933
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:49,500
adjust my camera just a little bit uh

934
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,300
I'm slouching

935
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:52,980
um you can see my mouse down here at the

936
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:56,460
bottom that's obviously where uh the

937
00:39:02,690 --> 00:38:58,500
shaft is inserted

938
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:02,700
um into the the tip of of the spear now

939
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,940
this is first century yes that's what a

940
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,980
first century Roman Lance looks like and

941
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:09,720
you got to remember too as we start

942
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,339
doing the

943
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:13,619
the real presentation of the Spear of

944
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:14,700
Destiny

945
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,520
Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Hitler they

946
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:19,260
might have been evil but they were not

947
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:21,540
stupid people there's no way they looked

948
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:23,160
at what you're going to see next and

949
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:24,540
thought it was the first century Roman

950
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,460
Lance but they still wanted it and they

951
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,740
wanted it for a real reason and it's way

952
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,180
more important than a first century

953
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,859
Roman Lance

954
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:34,380
the images you're going to see though

955
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,060
so

956
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,760
before explaining any of this

957
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,619
the one in the middle

958
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,440
is the so-called Lance that you would

959
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,839
find in Vienna today you can go to the

960
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:48,720
uh the shotscomber

961
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:52,020
um at uh the hofberg museum in Vienna

962
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:54,599
Austria and you can see this it's on

963
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,220
display

964
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:59,040
the one on the left is a copy made and I

965
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,599
believe I'd have to check but I think it

966
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,000
was like 400 years later in you know

967
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,820
commemoration of the one in Vienna made

968
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:07,200
in aachen but it might have been made

969
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:08,820
way after that I just don't remember

970
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,480
offhand the one on the right

971
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:15,599
is the one that there are no pictures of

972
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:16,920
anywhere

973
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:18,780
this is the first time it's ever being

974
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,940
shown publicly

975
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:22,260
and

976
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,060
um I honestly to tell you the truth

977
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,880
debated even showing this

978
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:28,920
um but I'm one of those people that

979
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,700
think

980
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,280
it's not okay to hide historical events

981
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:34,800
that the truth is definitely necessary

982
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,180
no matter what

983
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,440
and what you're going to hear tonight

984
00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:39,720
and this is proof of it right here the

985
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,980
thing on the right

986
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:42,720
um

987
00:40:47,470 --> 00:40:44,940
it's going to shatter what's in history

988
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:47,480
textbooks it's going to rewrite

989
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:50,940
portions of World War II what you'll

990
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,859
what you'll hear about and what you'll

991
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,240
read about

992
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:56,400
um didn't happen when it comes to the

993
00:41:03,829 --> 00:40:58,760
Lance itself

994
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:03,839
yeah please okay so since we are here

995
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,380
and uh we know that this is the one in

996
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:09,599
the middle is uh the one that's in the

997
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,700
museum in Vienna I'm going to explain

998
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,400
well and so are you of course what

999
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:16,260
actually we are looking at the one on

1000
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,520
the left is uh is a copy and then the

1001
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:22,920
one on the right let's just go ahead and

1002
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:26,220
put it out there you took this

1003
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:27,359
photograph

1004
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:30,900
yeah and you

1005
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,839
you have this in your possession

1006
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:36,240
yes it's not in Hawaii with me it's in a

1007
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,900
safe deposit clock yes yes but this this

1008
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,000
one is yours

1009
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,060
so we'll get into that too as well

1010
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,880
everybody brace yourself this is gonna

1011
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:50,640
be huge yeah for what we have just

1012
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:52,380
revealed to you

1013
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:54,780
okay now

1014
00:42:02,930 --> 00:41:58,380
um what I had said earlier was and we

1015
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,940
showed you the first century uh Roman uh

1016
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,099
tip spear tip

1017
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:08,280
um this is the one that's in Vienna and

1018
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:10,320
that's

1019
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,000
the spear right there this is a a a

1020
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,040
protection that is around the the

1021
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:20,040
outside of it it is wrapped and then

1022
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:23,400
this is a gold sheath uh for uh

1023
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:26,940
decoration that was uh wrapped around it

1024
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:30,119
you can see the bottom here that's the

1025
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:32,579
bottom of the spear tip so when I

1026
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,579
described it as shaped like a nail I

1027
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:37,680
wonder can I can I explain this a little

1028
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,240
bit more fully if you don't mind yeah

1029
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:41,220
well we're gonna well what I'm trying

1030
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:44,339
yes absolutely just just that one okay

1031
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:46,200
so

1032
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:51,060
that spear

1033
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:53,579
was split in half

1034
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,900
accidentally but they split it in half

1035
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,760
because they wanted to insert something

1036
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:02,160
that looked like a nail to represent one

1037
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:04,200
of the nails from the cross so the thing

1038
00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:05,579
you're looking at that looks like a nail

1039
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:07,380
that's not what a first century Roman

1040
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:09,960
nail would have looked like

1041
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:14,040
that was manufactured to re to basically

1042
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:18,180
take the place of a nail but so the

1043
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:20,099
sheath in the center there are actually

1044
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,900
three sheaths there and the reason the

1045
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:23,520
sheets are there are to hold the Lance

1046
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:25,079
in place because it was accidentally

1047
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,760
broken into when they were inserting

1048
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:27,839
that nail

1049
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,540
if you take those things off the top

1050
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:33,060
the wire off the top you can slide those

1051
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:35,099
off the top of the Lance

1052
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,060
then you get to this uh golden sheath if

1053
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:41,040
you slide that off you'll find a silver

1054
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,260
sheath that has inscriptions on both

1055
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,400
sides of it

1056
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:47,280
if you slide the silver one off you end

1057
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,859
up having an iron sheath and when you

1058
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:51,900
slide that one off you can pull the nail

1059
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,780
out and when you pull the nail out there

1060
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,160
are bits of metal

1061
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:58,260
and those bits of metal are thought to

1062
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,859
be the ones bits from the real first

1063
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:03,599
century Roman Lance that pierced the

1064
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:06,960
side of Jesus this is just a container

1065
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:10,500
and uh which is what um yes and and

1066
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:13,859
thank you for that because when you look

1067
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,740
at uh when everybody sees the sphere of

1068
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,680
Destiny which was uh uh one of the

1069
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,800
points that you just made here that

1070
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:25,260
um I think is very important is that

1071
00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:27,240
when you see this visually you think

1072
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:30,359
you're seeing something else but no it's

1073
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:33,780
not there is this is wrapped this is I

1074
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,420
think this is silver wire if I'm correct

1075
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:38,700
right it's in that silver wire they used

1076
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:41,700
to to hold everything in place and I

1077
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:43,140
think it's iron but I could be wrong

1078
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:45,540
okay and then we have the same thing

1079
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:49,500
here all right A reproduction and then

1080
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,550
um now also uh we have um

1081
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,480
uh what was I going to say we have a

1082
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,599
deconstruction as well uh that will be

1083
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:12,720
coming up uh that everybody can see and

1084
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,400
so when you compare that to this now you

1085
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:20,160
understand when you see the Spear of

1086
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:21,480
Destiny and what we're talking about

1087
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:24,359
tonight talking about this we are not

1088
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,020
talking about this and it is a very

1089
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:30,300
important Point

1090
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,260
um let's uh uh this this right here is

1091
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,500
about as interesting as it gets

1092
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:39,839
um well no this whole show is about as

1093
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:42,300
interesting as it gets but what are we

1094
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:44,520
looking at here Ken

1095
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:46,380
so

1096
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:48,599
the copy the thing that I said you you

1097
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,980
wouldn't be able to find a picture of

1098
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:51,060
anywhere

1099
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:53,400
that belonged to Heinrich Himmler and

1100
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,020
Heinrich Himmler if anyone doesn't know

1101
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,560
was for a time uh Adolf Hitler's number

1102
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,020
one guy in the man responsible for

1103
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,119
beginning the SS which started as

1104
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,040
Hitler's personal guard and then kind of

1105
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,680
expanded from there and they had their

1106
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,800
own religion it was a Nazism religion

1107
00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:12,720
basically but they had their own

1108
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:14,579
marriage ceremonies they had their own

1109
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,980
rules they had their own spiritual

1110
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,839
ceremonies as weird as that might sound

1111
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,400
to some people because of the evil

1112
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,440
things they did but they had their their

1113
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,020
own spiritual beliefs and they were

1114
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,839
Christian based even though they morphed

1115
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:29,280
it into something completely different

1116
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:31,740
and did Evil things with it and they

1117
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:33,780
even targeted the Jews in

1118
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:35,940
in one sense it gets way more

1119
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,560
complicated but in one sense because the

1120
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,300
Jews were responsible for Killing Jesus

1121
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:41,220
and that was one of the excuses they

1122
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,020
used for all this but here's where it

1123
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,540
gets interesting in so far as the spirit

1124
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,280
of Destiny goes and actually if you

1125
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,800
think of it this way too if he didn't

1126
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,020
care at all about Christianity

1127
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,520
why was he so obsessed with Christian

1128
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,800
relics he wanted Christian relics

1129
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:57,839
because he thought they they had power

1130
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,819
within them but here's where it gets

1131
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,680
really interesting with Heinrich Himmler

1132
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,480
if you start reading books about the

1133
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:06,000
Spear of Destiny and the Nazi annexation

1134
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:08,819
of Austria what we call the outclass

1135
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,640
Heinrich Himmler was the one who took

1136
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:13,319
possession of this Lance and the rest of

1137
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,660
the Holy Roman Empire Treasures Hitler

1138
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,460
wasn't there that day and all the

1139
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:19,740
history textbooks say that Hitler was

1140
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,140
the one there but we have documents that

1141
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,839
he signed that same day in Munich he

1142
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,060
wasn't there Heinrich Himmler was and

1143
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,280
Heinrich Himmler delayed The Invasion by

1144
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,800
three days for security arrangements and

1145
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,119
that's how it's worded in one of the

1146
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,460
documents that he signed he was the one

1147
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:37,440
who took possession of this but the

1148
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,000
interesting thing is

1149
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,060
you already saw a copy of this

1150
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:44,280
um not of the one in Vienna so you saw a

1151
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:45,660
copy of the one in Vienna the one that's

1152
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:46,740
in aachen

1153
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,980
and that was aged so it looks like it's

1154
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,200
just as old as the one in Vienna okay

1155
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:55,020
let's back up this is akan the one on

1156
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:57,000
the left this is Vienna in the middle

1157
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,460
and this is the one on the right is

1158
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:02,880
yours yes the one on the right belonged

1159
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:05,160
to Heinrich Himmler and then Adolf

1160
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:07,140
Hitler and then Heinrich Himmler took

1161
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:08,520
possession of it again

1162
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:12,060
so well I'm saying this wrong the one in

1163
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,579
the middle the one in Vienna belonged to

1164
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,980
Heinrich Himmler then Adolf Hitler and

1165
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:18,839
then Heinrich Himmler took possession of

1166
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:21,240
it but only for like a month but before

1167
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:23,579
I get into that the one on the right is

1168
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:26,280
Heinrich himmler's copy and he didn't

1169
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,680
have it aged which means he didn't care

1170
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:30,480
if people thought that it was the one

1171
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:33,660
Vienna so the theory that he switched

1172
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,460
his copy with the one in Vienna doesn't

1173
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:37,740
make any sense now that people are

1174
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,020
seeing this for the first time this is

1175
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:42,660
anyone watching this this is the first

1176
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,540
time this is ever shown in public

1177
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:47,339
this Lance

1178
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:49,260
is going to rip apart some of the

1179
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,520
history stories some of the history

1180
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,520
textbooks already because the conspiracy

1181
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:55,440
theorists that say Heinrich Himmler

1182
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,819
replaced it and it's not the right one

1183
00:49:02,329 --> 00:48:58,740
there's no way that's that happened

1184
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,339
because that is his Lance it's not aged

1185
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:04,500
he had this made though this is where

1186
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:06,660
things get really interesting and a

1187
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:08,220
little bit complex

1188
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:11,579
he had this made five years before the

1189
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:12,780
annexation

1190
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:15,780
so five years before this was already in

1191
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:16,680
the plan

1192
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,260
that they were going to Annex Austria

1193
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,060
and they were going to take possession

1194
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,720
of the Holy Roman Empire Treasures

1195
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:27,300
and what Heinrich Himmler did

1196
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:30,060
now think of this he's obsessed with the

1197
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:31,859
Holy Roman Empire Treasures but

1198
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:34,200
especially the Lance why else would he

1199
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:36,060
have have one made five years before

1200
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:40,970
what did he do when he had possession of

1201
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,500
the one in Vienna for a month before he

1202
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,440
put it with the rest of the Nazi stash

1203
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,540
he took the bits of metal from the one

1204
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,940
in Vienna and he transferred it to his

1205
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:52,260
own Lance

1206
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:54,599
there's a

1207
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:01,800
the actual spear that touched the side

1208
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,520
of Jesus that had Jesus's blood on it

1209
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,440
could control the destiny of the world

1210
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,319
and my personal belief is Heinrich him

1211
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,839
would believe that he truly believed

1212
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,060
that he had some sort of a King Arthur

1213
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:16,800
fantasy going with the castle that he

1214
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,380
moved the SS into he was collecting all

1215
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:20,880
of these religious artifacts from all

1216
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,260
over the world not just Christianity but

1217
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,540
he was obsessed with Christianity he was

1218
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:26,640
especially obsessed with the Spear of

1219
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,940
Destiny but he gave it back he could

1220
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:31,680
have kept that one on his desk but he

1221
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:35,220
didn't right he just so he take so he he

1222
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:39,060
takes it apart right he unwraps it

1223
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:45,000
um he takes out the the metal uh from

1224
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:48,960
the original Lance removes that uh maybe

1225
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:50,760
he replaced it with other bits of metal

1226
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:53,339
but anyway he wraps it back up and gives

1227
00:51:03,290 --> 00:50:58,740
it back to uh the museum and he has this

1228
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,300
new one uh made which is here now at the

1229
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,940
top of this this is the display box

1230
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:08,280
but up here at the top you can see the

1231
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:09,720
HH

1232
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:12,599
right here uh he's got a little spear

1233
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,780
tip if you want to call it right that

1234
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,579
comes off so that thing comes off and

1235
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:19,380
the the only thing that's there for if

1236
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,300
you pull it off even though you know

1237
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,000
it's not it's just a container for bits

1238
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:25,800
of metal from what he thought was the

1239
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:28,859
actual uh Lance that pierced Jesus it

1240
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,619
actually has a very sharp tip so you

1241
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,359
could actually Pierce yourself on it and

1242
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,220
that thing just covers it up

1243
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:38,160
so now as we look at this one really

1244
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:41,700
closely and you have this what appears

1245
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:43,460
to be writing here

1246
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:47,579
and the way that the gold sheath is now

1247
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,460
one one of the notes that I think all of

1248
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:52,619
us visually can make is how neatly the

1249
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:56,400
wire wrap is done here versus what we

1250
00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:58,440
are looking at

1251
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:00,540
um uh with the one in Vienna and of

1252
00:52:07,069 --> 00:52:02,940
course the knockoff that's here and then

1253
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,079
yours which is Heinrich himmler's and

1254
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,559
then we have what does this say and what

1255
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:12,720
language is this going down the middle

1256
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,760
so

1257
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:16,440
what you're seeing is actually what's

1258
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:19,260
coming through from the other side

1259
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:20,460
um I'm going to give it to you it's it's

1260
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,720
in Latin

1261
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,940
so

1262
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:25,559
we're dealing with the one in Austria

1263
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:28,440
but um Heinrich himmler's Lance was made

1264
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:32,099
obviously to resemble it in size and

1265
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,440
shape and everything about it so the one

1266
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:36,000
in Austria which means it's also

1267
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:38,040
Heinrich himmler's Lance and the akan

1268
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:41,460
copy is 50.5 centimeters long and it has

1269
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:43,740
three sleeves the first one is iron

1270
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:46,140
the second one with inscriptions is

1271
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,079
silver and it says uh henrikus tertius

1272
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,280
Romano imperator or [\h__\h]

1273
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:58,079
argentum and then there's a number there

1274
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,740
and then it says in the so on the silver

1275
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,599
on one side that's what it says on the

1276
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,480
second side it says Santos Mauritius and

1277
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:09,839
then it says fabricari at conversiones

1278
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:11,160
clavi

1279
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,440
translated now when I translate this at

1280
00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:21,480
first it might not make sense it's only

1281
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:24,359
because they left out one word it says

1282
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:25,740
Heinrich

1283
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:27,960
by the grace of God

1284
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,260
for the third Roman Emperor builder of

1285
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:34,079
the Empire caused this silver to be made

1286
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,059
for the attachment of the nail of our

1287
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:38,160
Lord and the Lance of the holy Saint

1288
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:39,540
Mauritius

1289
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:41,640
now Heinrich

1290
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:44,520
now this is interesting too this refers

1291
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:47,700
to Heinrich which is Henry the Fowler

1292
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,440
who lived from 876 to 936. Heinrich

1293
00:53:58,450 --> 00:53:54,839
Himmler thought he was The Reincarnation

1294
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,430
fascinating man absolutely fascinating

1295
00:54:04,809 --> 00:54:03,900
and

1296
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:04,819
um

1297
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,220
this Photograph here uh is this of

1298
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,920
is this what is in your possession with

1299
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:16,500
this display box yes and that belonged

1300
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,119
to Heinrich Himmler as well and it's

1301
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:20,400
very heavy it's way more heavy than you

1302
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:28,490
man

1303
00:54:35,569 --> 00:54:32,520
okay let's go to uh this next image and

1304
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,579
then uh we'll take a break

1305
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:37,800
so this image has to be followed up by

1306
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,300
the ones that show the back of this

1307
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,760
cross but these are all of the Holy

1308
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,920
Roman Empire treasures and these are the

1309
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:46,020
real ones the ones that are at the shots

1310
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:48,599
comma in the hofberg museum in Vienna

1311
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:52,020
Austria so you have the Holy swords you

1312
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,640
obviously have the Holy what they call

1313
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,380
the holy Apple the crown and the crown

1314
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:57,359
on the uh

1315
00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:59,160
initially had nothing to do with German

1316
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:01,559
kings or anything the crown is Byzantine

1317
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:03,900
and it was adopted later and they used

1318
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:06,599
you can see the Spear of Destiny right

1319
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:09,059
if you're looking at this picture on the

1320
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:11,160
right hand side a role of the Spears and

1321
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,800
the Sabers you'll see it standing up

1322
00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:16,200
that's the Spear of Destiny and they use

1323
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:17,780
that

1324
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,660
to give Kings their power so obviously

1325
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,520
we'll get into the reichs the first

1326
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,680
Reich was the Holy Roman Empire and then

1327
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,119
you had the second Reich the Third Reich

1328
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:29,280
which was Adolf Hitler and then there's

1329
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,559
another one planned and that's why they

1330
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,200
want the Lance and uh I'll explain where

1331
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,540
that's coming from as well but if this

1332
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:38,819
is the close-up of the right truth the

1333
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,240
right screws is the holy uh the holy

1334
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:45,000
um the Holy Cross basically and it's um

1335
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:47,220
the Holy Roman Empire Treasures this is

1336
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,900
the cross the reich's cross and you've

1337
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,040
got to remember the Holy Roman Empire

1338
00:55:56,589 --> 00:55:52,140
was neither holy nor Roman it was all

1339
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:01,010
and this is where the this is this is

1340
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,160
what holds the Spear of Destiny so for a

1341
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,680
time during World War II

1342
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,140
it was missing but if you take a look at

1343
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,300
the back of it right

1344
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,819
that's it unopened it still doesn't look

1345
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:17,339
like there's anything strange going on

1346
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,530
and that's what it looks like with all

1347
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:27,119
the compartments in you know completely

1348
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:28,920
opened and you see in the center of that

1349
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:30,859
you see

1350
00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:33,960
a spot where they actually had the Spear

1351
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:36,059
of Destiny that's where they hid it for

1352
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:37,740
a while during the war that's where it

1353
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,059
was kept

1354
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:41,280
and previously the other two

1355
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,619
compartments tell you the truth I'm not

1356
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,599
sure and I asked the same question

1357
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:47,760
before and like I couldn't get an answer

1358
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,819
because even in Vienna the people at the

1359
00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:52,559
Museum said that they weren't sure what

1360
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,300
was actually held in there now if you

1361
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:56,400
look at the size of them in comparison

1362
00:57:00,410 --> 00:56:58,680
to the Lance itself it couldn't have

1363
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:00,420
been any of the other Holy Roman Empire

1364
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:03,420
Treasures so it had to have been

1365
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:04,800
something small and it could have just

1366
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:07,380
been like as stupid as this might sound

1367
00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:08,940
it could have just been a bit of a bone

1368
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:10,380
from a saint or something like that

1369
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:13,380
because the reason they had the Spear of

1370
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,300
Destiny from Vienna in the top portion

1371
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:17,460
of it is because they thought it had

1372
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:19,260
bits of metal from the actual Lance that

1373
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:21,420
pierced Jesus hence Jesus's blood on it

1374
00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:23,339
so we're dealing with things that are

1375
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,119
used to sanctify the cross so anything

1376
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:28,640
that had religious significance

1377
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,319
belonging to a saint a holy person or

1378
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,660
anything like that that could have been

1379
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:35,760
it and of course there were tons of

1380
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:38,460
charlatans going on uh with you know

1381
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:41,760
pieces of the the real true cross uh but

1382
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:43,020
they were just pieces of wood that

1383
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:44,460
people pulled from different places to

1384
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:47,339
make money but the church did have a

1385
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:49,500
lineage of certain pieces and of course

1386
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:51,000
none of them date to the first century

1387
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:53,099
but they had a lineage so it could have

1388
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:54,540
been you know could have been something

1389
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,540
like that that they gave up after time

1390
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:59,160
um I have really no idea what they had

1391
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:00,420
in those though

1392
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,660
so we're gonna get into the analysis but

1393
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:06,000
you know the the million dollar question

1394
00:58:09,549 --> 00:58:08,760
is

1395
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:09,559
um

1396
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:13,500
the Himmler version of the Spear of

1397
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:17,339
Destiny which is now in your possession

1398
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:21,660
um may have may contain the original

1399
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:26,160
metal from the lands that pierced Jesus

1400
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:29,700
and had his blood on it yes

1401
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:34,200
are those same pieces of metal

1402
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:37,619
first century Roman lands medal that

1403
00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:40,799
pierced Jesus with his blood on it

1404
00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:44,040
is still with the Spear of Destiny that

1405
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:47,299
is in your possession yes

1406
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:49,559
well you better keep this in mind though

1407
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,420
there's no way to know for sure where it

1408
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,520
came from right I know we know it's

1409
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:55,740
first century because it was tested but

1410
00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:58,260
I could take bits of that like the the

1411
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,540
Lance that I showed you that's actually

1412
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:03,119
from the first century if I wanted to I

1413
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:04,380
could buy another one of those that's

1414
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:05,640
not in good shape

1415
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:08,460
and just break off little bits of it and

1416
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:10,020
stick it in any lats and say you know

1417
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:11,760
what test it it's for a century it

1418
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,260
doesn't mean it here's the side of Jesus

1419
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:15,900
the only thing I'm saying is Heinrich

1420
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:18,660
Himmler and Adolf Hitler thought it did

1421
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,299
and stated so did the people who had the

1422
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:23,040
Lance in Vienna and they still have the

1423
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:24,900
lance there but Heinrich Himmler just

1424
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:27,599
switched the metal up

1425
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:31,200
um do you look over your shoulder a lot

1426
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:33,240
no because I no longer have it in my

1427
00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:35,220
possession I have in a safety if you

1428
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:37,500
know what I mean you know I mean this is

1429
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,799
uh uh this this is pretty extraordinary

1430
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,020
and there's quite a few people that

1431
00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:46,559
would be very interested in this yes

1432
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:48,119
I'm going to write a whole book on the

1433
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,099
subject I'm already 200 and whatever it

1434
00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:52,319
is 40 pages deep I just have to finish

1435
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:54,180
up three chapters in the center of it

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00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:56,520
and finish up the ending and I'm almost

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done with the ending anyways somebody

1438
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just said do you feel any additional

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powers

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all right all right let's let's take a

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quick break we'll be right back this is

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am your host stupid Church yeah that's

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right x39 right there the links are over

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at jimmychurchradio.com and we've uh got

1525
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:39,540
it up throughout social media too as

1526
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,200
well did a post today uh uh my team did

1527
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:46,079
of x39 and go check it out our guest

1528
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:49,400
tonight Dr Kenneth uh uh Dr Ken Kenneth

1529
01:03:57,309 --> 01:03:53,640
Ken Jeremiah and we're talking about uh

1530
01:03:58,970 --> 01:03:57,319
his journey to the Spear of Destiny

1531
01:04:02,089 --> 01:03:58,980
and

1532
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:02,099
um I was uh looking at uh Ken some of

1533
01:04:07,069 --> 01:04:04,200
the comments and and I found them

1534
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:07,079
interesting about how confusing this is

1535
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:09,660
and that's exactly the point

1536
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:13,020
um it is confusing and when you go

1537
01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:17,579
um copies borrowed stolen replaced

1538
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,900
um and the uh again I'm always about

1539
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:24,000
provenance right and a chain of custody

1540
01:04:30,170 --> 01:04:26,220
it's a it's a difficult thing to deal

1541
01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:30,180
with here and the original one that was

1542
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:33,780
in Vienna may be in possession of the

1543
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:35,640
United States government and it may be

1544
01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:39,059
at at the Ford bending Museum which

1545
01:04:43,250 --> 01:04:40,980
um I've heard those rumors I've also

1546
01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:43,260
heard the patent rumors

1547
01:04:47,630 --> 01:04:44,579
um now

1548
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:47,640
um all right so we'll we'll explain uh

1549
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:49,260
the best that we can all of this tonight

1550
01:04:54,289 --> 01:04:51,000
everybody

1551
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,299
um two questions uh I think they're

1552
01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:56,220
rather obvious

1553
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,400
um the first is is it legal to have this

1554
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:04,010
I don't know

1555
01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:05,280
yeah

1556
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:09,299
it's a sketchy area isn't it but

1557
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:17,690
um and uh the segment how did how did

1558
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:20,819
you how did you uh come upon it

1559
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:24,180
so if if it's okay can I start at the

1560
01:05:35,809 --> 01:05:33,530
now what I'm going to tell you is false

1561
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,819
but uh this is what shows up in the

1562
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:37,440
majority of History textbooks they talk

1563
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:39,480
about the Spear of Destiny the Lance

1564
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:42,059
that pierce the sight of Jesus that has

1565
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:44,280
an unbroken chain of custody up until

1566
01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:45,780
modern day and it's the one that's in

1567
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,579
Vienna now we already know that the one

1568
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:49,920
in Vienna isn't a real Holy Roman Empire

1569
01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:52,740
Lance it's a carolingian lance way too

1570
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,500
late for first century so that can't be

1571
01:06:00,589 --> 01:05:57,359
true but here's the story you'll see in

1572
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,599
textbooks supposedly a saint called

1573
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:02,760
Saint longinus pierced the side of Jesus

1574
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:06,319
with the Lance but I'm a linguist

1575
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,839
longinus was never a name uh longinus

1576
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:11,760
meant Spearman so we don't have a name

1577
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:14,400
we have a random soldier who in the

1578
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:15,960
first century pierced the side of Jesus

1579
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:18,540
with the Lance okay then it supposedly

1580
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:21,420
passed down to Saint Mauritius St Morris

1581
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:23,640
who headed the thieben Legion in the

1582
01:06:30,970 --> 01:06:27,180
third century and he died in 287.

1583
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:30,980
then it passed on to maximanius Hercules

1584
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:34,740
maximian in English the Emperor who died

1585
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:38,460
in the year 305. then it went on to

1586
01:06:46,849 --> 01:06:40,760
Constantine who

1587
01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:46,859
died in 337 and Constantine

1588
01:06:50,510 --> 01:06:47,700
um

1589
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:50,520
started the first Reich so the First

1590
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,400
Holy Roman Empire was Constantine and

1591
01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:55,680
that's what he you gotta remember it was

1592
01:07:00,049 --> 01:06:58,680
all German not Roman and not holy and

1593
01:07:02,049 --> 01:07:00,059
obviously you know how many people

1594
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,059
Constantine ordered dead

1595
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,039
so that was the first Reich then the

1596
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:07,319
land supposedly passed to theodosius

1597
01:07:12,349 --> 01:07:09,960
then supposedly the visigoth leader

1598
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:12,359
Alaric then and this is complete

1599
01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:15,180
falsehood supposedly passed to Attila

1600
01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:17,160
the Hun when he sacked Rome took all the

1601
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:19,559
Holy Roman Empire empire treasures and a

1602
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:20,520
whole bunch of other things and

1603
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:22,440
supposedly as he was riding out of the

1604
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:25,200
city through the Lance at some Soldier

1605
01:07:30,049 --> 01:07:26,760
and it ended up back in the possession

1606
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,059
of the Roman and then you had it going

1607
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:33,839
to Justinian and then Charles Martel who

1608
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:37,200
died in 741 and then it went to his

1609
01:07:42,250 --> 01:07:39,420
grandson Charlemagne or Charles the

1610
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:42,260
great who started the carolingian Empire

1611
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,539
and the Lance that's in Vienna

1612
01:07:50,170 --> 01:07:48,480
this is now if you think of it

1613
01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:50,180
about

1614
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,359
750 years after Jesus died the Lance

1615
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,359
that is in Vienna was created during

1616
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:59,819
this time period during the carolingian

1617
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,799
Empire which obviously lasted with you

1618
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:03,119
know more than just charlem and it

1619
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:05,700
continued for for centuries after that

1620
01:08:11,450 --> 01:08:09,420
but um we we know that the Lance there

1621
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,460
came from this

1622
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:13,859
Carol engine Empire started by

1623
01:08:18,169 --> 01:08:16,259
Charlemagne or Charles the great then it

1624
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:18,179
passed to there's some Missing Years in

1625
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,199
here it passed to Frederick Barbarossa

1626
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:25,440
then Frederick II Napoleon in some tax

1627
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:27,060
is said to have had it he never did

1628
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:30,719
that's complete falsehood and that's at

1629
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:33,660
that time when now dealing with uh 1700s

1630
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:35,880
it was moved from Nuremberg back to

1631
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,359
Vienna and then eventually you had

1632
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:41,759
Himmler had it then Hitler then back to

1633
01:08:46,669 --> 01:08:44,940
Himmler and the rest is history at the

1634
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,679
end of World War II when things started

1635
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:48,480
going wrong

1636
01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:50,580
Heinrich Himmler who obviously killed

1637
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:53,160
himself by popping a cyanide tablet

1638
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:56,880
after he was captured by U.S soldiers he

1639
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,239
had ordered his SS troop to destroy the

1640
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:03,359
copies of the Viennese Holy Roman Empire

1641
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:06,000
Treasures and they threw everything into

1642
01:09:11,150 --> 01:09:08,100
Lake Zell so according to other history

1643
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:11,160
textbooks now even the Spear of Destiny

1644
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,560
was tossed into Lake Zell

1645
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:15,660
what really happened

1646
01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:18,719
one of the SS guys took that Lance

1647
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:20,819
smuggled it out of Berlin and into

1648
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:22,140
Munich

1649
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:24,779
and it was sold in 1954.

1650
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:26,819
for quite a bit of money

1651
01:09:32,329 --> 01:09:29,759
it went to France then England then

1652
01:09:35,769 --> 01:09:32,339
California then Montana

1653
01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:37,809
the um

1654
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:42,299
uh was there anything ever found at the

1655
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:43,799
bottom of the lake I know that they

1656
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:46,500
dredged it and and and looked and looked

1657
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:48,060
and looked

1658
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:50,160
um I'm a little confused about that too

1659
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:51,480
as well if they would have found

1660
01:09:57,010 --> 01:09:54,600
something I'm sure it would have been

1661
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:57,020
kept on the down low

1662
01:10:03,169 --> 01:10:00,780
the replicas that are in Fort Benning is

1663
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:03,179
that the stuff from the lake no

1664
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:04,500
definitely isn't because we have

1665
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:06,900
pictures of those copies it definitely

1666
01:10:08,689 --> 01:10:08,100
was not

1667
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:08,699
um

1668
01:10:14,209 --> 01:10:12,840
not the same right right and so what's

1669
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:14,219
in Fort Benning

1670
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:16,199
we don't know that like they're

1671
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:18,120
literally saying they never had any

1672
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:19,800
copies there

1673
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,580
um

1674
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:22,320
it just doesn't

1675
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:27,120
thing doesn't make sense

1676
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,900
um

1677
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:30,000
it would be so easy if we could just see

1678
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:31,739
them and obviously we wouldn't even have

1679
01:10:36,169 --> 01:10:34,020
to make you know tests on it

1680
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:36,179
um because

1681
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:38,580
once you see it I I know already what it

1682
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:40,860
would look like that we we blatantly

1683
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,420
know that they're copies and probably

1684
01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:45,120
not even good copies I just want to know

1685
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:47,699
who created them what they look like and

1686
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:48,900
where they are because that would give

1687
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:51,060
us a little bit of insight

1688
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,780
um into where it came from you know it

1689
01:10:58,010 --> 01:10:56,400
could have just been created here in the

1690
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,020
United States sometime after the war by

1691
01:11:02,090 --> 01:11:00,000
someone who was a fan like if you think

1692
01:11:03,950 --> 01:11:02,100
of what Himmler did where he was such a

1693
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,960
fan let's say he he didn't even know the

1694
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:05,400
onclus was going to happen he was just

1695
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:07,020
such a fan of this that he had a copy

1696
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:08,100
made

1697
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:10,199
let's say Patton did the same thing that

1698
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,060
he was so obsessed with the spear itself

1699
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:14,280
that he had a copy made since he he

1700
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:15,480
probably didn't think he would have

1701
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:18,360
access to the original ever he could

1702
01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:20,100
have someone who was just obsessed with

1703
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:22,260
this stuff and just have a copy made for

1704
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:25,320
themselves and we don't know since the

1705
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,960
Army isn't they're not being helpful in

1706
01:11:31,570 --> 01:11:29,280
Fort Benning

1707
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:31,580
the museum there's claims that they had

1708
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:33,960
they have nothing

1709
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:37,020
no records with this and of course I'll

1710
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:39,179
send you this later if you want the the

1711
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,739
records that

1712
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,199
um Ken Alford dug up

1713
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,600
State just the opposite and it's from

1714
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:47,760
the Department of War

1715
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,500
the Provost Marsh I'm looking at another

1716
01:11:53,530 --> 01:11:51,540
document right here the war department

1717
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:53,540
Office of the Provost Marshal General

1718
01:11:59,209 --> 01:11:56,580
and again investigation of alleged grand

1719
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,219
larceny by Lieutenant Colonel Joseph

1720
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:02,159
Hensel and if Hensel was still alive I'd

1721
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,260
have some questions for him because the

1722
01:12:09,169 --> 01:12:06,480
truth is he didn't steal this

1723
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:09,179
he didn't steal it from Austria and I'm

1724
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:10,500
guessing too he didn't steal it from

1725
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,900
Nazis I don't know who made this and

1726
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:14,400
anything about it

1727
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,020
the only thing I do know

1728
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:18,960
we had an extra copy and that can't be

1729
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:20,940
explained and I I don't think I'll ever

1730
01:12:25,729 --> 01:12:22,500
be able to explain it although I'd love

1731
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:25,739
to now I know we briefly touched upon

1732
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:27,480
this earlier

1733
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,620
um but

1734
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:31,920
um it's just for more clarification for

1735
01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:32,940
myself

1736
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:36,980
Himmler has this this copy made

1737
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:39,480
and deliberately

1738
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:40,920
had it

1739
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:42,360
knew

1740
01:12:48,890 --> 01:12:45,780
right now here's the interesting thing

1741
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:48,900
um obviously everyone in Europe knows

1742
01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:51,780
what knew before World War II they all

1743
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:53,580
knew what the spear looked like

1744
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:55,860
because there were photographs of it and

1745
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:57,719
it was on display at all of the major

1746
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:01,020
ceremonies any religious ceremony or any

1747
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:03,480
ceremony whatsoever at the shots comma

1748
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:05,880
at the hoffenberg Museum in Vienna they

1749
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,560
would have that on display with the rest

1750
01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:09,840
of the Holy Roman Empire Treasures so

1751
01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:14,699
everyone in Europe from late 1800s up

1752
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:16,679
until you know World War II and after

1753
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:18,420
everyone knew what the thing looked like

1754
01:13:23,209 --> 01:13:21,300
so it wouldn't take too much time for

1755
01:13:26,270 --> 01:13:23,219
him to just all right I want that thing

1756
01:13:28,669 --> 01:13:26,280
duplicated and even in the 1800s that

1757
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,679
thing was on display in Vienna you could

1758
01:13:33,050 --> 01:13:30,480
go into the museum and take a look at it

1759
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,060
and there are images of you know

1760
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,040
soldiers during World War II U.S

1761
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,440
soldiers and Nazis shoulders soldiers

1762
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,320
handling the thing but before that

1763
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:42,960
people were in the museum looking at it

1764
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:45,300
um Trevin Trevor ravencroft although

1765
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,400
it's not true talked about how when

1766
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:49,920
Hitler was a little boy he would go to

1767
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:52,440
the museum and stare at it and he was

1768
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:54,360
obsessed with it as well and he did

1769
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,480
mention it in Mein Kampf but

1770
01:14:02,270 --> 01:13:59,400
he didn't go into real detail with it

1771
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:02,280
and Trevor Ravenscroft he wrote a book

1772
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:04,440
called the Spear of Destiny a lot of the

1773
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,260
so-called facts he gathered from mediums

1774
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:09,840
so contacting dead people so you if you

1775
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,940
read that you gotta you gotta really

1776
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,440
second guess everything that's in that

1777
01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:14,880
entire text

1778
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:17,699
yeah and and here's the other weird

1779
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,300
thing I mean if I'm Himmler I'm just

1780
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:23,040
going out on it

1781
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,040
um I'm gonna show you a guitar in just a

1782
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,280
second but to to show you my point but

1783
01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:32,159
if I'm Emler dude I'm gonna I'm gonna if

1784
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:35,060
I'm gonna make a knockoff right

1785
01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:38,699
I'm gonna make a knock off why would you

1786
01:14:42,910 --> 01:14:41,580
have it look new and let me let me show

1787
01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:42,920
you something

1788
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:49,850
a knockoff

1789
01:14:55,790 --> 01:14:53,580
of Eddie Van Halen's guitar

1790
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:55,800
all right pretty freaking cool isn't it

1791
01:15:03,649 --> 01:15:00,140
it is all the way down to the worn wood

1792
01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:03,659
right now I could have

1793
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,080
the brand new version of this guitar

1794
01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:09,600
that's not as cool you want it to look

1795
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:11,219
like

1796
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:13,500
right do you understand what I'm saying

1797
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:19,020
why would Himmler have I I it it there's

1798
01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:22,800
there's a reason behind it and maybe I I

1799
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:27,140
guess you don't want people to know so

1800
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,080
yeah you have it obviously looking not

1801
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:33,840
like the real thing to throw people off

1802
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:36,120
the scent let's say I had Eddie's real

1803
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:39,540
guitar right and I had a real one and it

1804
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:43,020
was a brand new version of it

1805
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,699
um uh that that wouldn't feel right I I

1806
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,440
couldn't convince anybody that that's

1807
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,360
really Eddie's guitar

1808
01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:53,760
right because it's brand new he never

1809
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,300
played that but if you have an aged

1810
01:16:01,610 --> 01:15:59,520
version of it like something like this

1811
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:01,620
and I have a few it's called oddly

1812
01:16:07,490 --> 01:16:04,980
enough it's called A Relic but why

1813
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:07,500
didn't uh you know why didn't Himmler

1814
01:16:12,110 --> 01:16:09,900
just take it the next step and drop it

1815
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:12,120
down some stairs or drag it behind a car

1816
01:16:18,110 --> 01:16:14,940
for a few blocks you know and and kind

1817
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,120
of rough it up a little bit because

1818
01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:19,440
so

1819
01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:24,840
were already making copies of these

1820
01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:27,179
important Holy Roman Empire Treasures

1821
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:30,120
if you age not like no joke I'd be able

1822
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:31,560
to tell the difference only because I

1823
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:34,260
spent so many years now researching this

1824
01:16:38,209 --> 01:16:36,780
phenomenon but if I didn't know what I

1825
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:38,219
was looking at and you showed me the

1826
01:16:41,870 --> 01:16:40,500
akan copy and the Viennese copy and did

1827
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:41,880
you know like the old card trick where

1828
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,159
you're moving one and I bet you most

1829
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:45,600
people would look at that and not know

1830
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:48,420
which one was the Viennese copy the one

1831
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:50,460
that supposedly really contained the

1832
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:51,900
bits of metal that pierced the side of

1833
01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:54,540
Jesus but if if you're looking so the

1834
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:57,300
making of the copies is a real thing and

1835
01:17:03,050 --> 01:17:00,480
if you think of um the old Christian by

1836
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:03,060
old I mean the old practice that some

1837
01:17:07,370 --> 01:17:05,880
Christian monks Buddhist monks and Hindu

1838
01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:07,380
practitioners use where they would

1839
01:17:13,370 --> 01:17:09,780
transcribe the holy text

1840
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:13,380
as a like a tribute to the holy

1841
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,260
individuals who wrote the text so the

1842
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,239
whole idea of copying had another

1843
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:20,159
religious significance

1844
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,400
if Heinrich Himmler we know who made his

1845
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:25,199
Lance and I forgot the guy's name he was

1846
01:17:29,330 --> 01:17:26,520
a Jewish guy

1847
01:17:31,970 --> 01:17:29,340
um uh and this was five years before the

1848
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:31,980
end class so it wasn't you know someone

1849
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:34,739
being forced to do it before that

1850
01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:38,520
um but if he really wanted it to pass as

1851
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:40,440
the one in Vienna he would have had it

1852
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,679
aged but people looking at that now who

1853
01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:45,120
don't know enough about history to know

1854
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,739
that's not a first century Roman Lance

1855
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:48,480
they don't know there's bits of metal

1856
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,800
inside that

1857
01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:51,840
no one would look if you gave me the all

1858
01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:53,460
three of those and I didn't know what I

1859
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,340
know now right I seriously I wouldn't

1860
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:58,320
even pick the Viennese the the one that

1861
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,580
looks the oldest to me is the one in

1862
01:18:04,209 --> 01:18:01,920
akkin yeah it does it does it's got a

1863
01:18:07,729 --> 01:18:04,219
different vibe to it especially

1864
01:18:09,709 --> 01:18:07,739
and what we're talking you know just to

1865
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:09,719
show everybody real briefly what we're

1866
01:18:13,689 --> 01:18:12,719
talking about here

1867
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:13,699
um

1868
01:18:22,729 --> 01:18:19,500
this is the copy on the uh Vienna's in

1869
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:22,739
the middle and Heinrich himmler's is is

1870
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:25,560
on the right here and so looking at this

1871
01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:29,600
I would say that the knockoff this one

1872
01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:34,020
is yeah it just looks more authentic to

1873
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:38,340
me yeah now uh let's talk about the bits

1874
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,440
of metal you know uh what's on the

1875
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:42,719
inside how big are these bits of metal

1876
01:18:51,709 --> 01:18:48,709
are they slivers

1877
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:51,719
uh they're more like like if you took

1878
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:54,600
the the Roman Lance the image you

1879
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:57,000
brought up first and if I just took like

1880
01:18:59,689 --> 01:18:58,560
a little Hammer to the edge then you

1881
01:19:02,450 --> 01:18:59,699
wouldn't even have to do this too hard

1882
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:02,460
because it's it's fragile but you just

1883
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:05,520
tap it you'll get little bits popping

1884
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,500
off like little Pebbles that kind of

1885
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:09,360
thing but obviously they're flat because

1886
01:19:17,149 --> 01:19:12,659
it's you know a steel

1887
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:17,159
does that make sense yes okay so

1888
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:20,640
uh let's uh let's pull this up here

1889
01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:24,540
um so we can look at the component

1890
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:27,179
um this is a very old drawing

1891
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:30,540
um when when uh what's the time period

1892
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,940
uh from this analysis

1893
01:19:36,649 --> 01:19:34,560
oh I don't remember

1894
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:36,659
and I don't even remember what book this

1895
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,300
came from but what this is is showing

1896
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:41,280
how the Lance is actually put together

1897
01:19:44,930 --> 01:19:43,560
so if you take a look at the the one on

1898
01:19:47,090 --> 01:19:44,940
the left

1899
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:47,100
the whole Lance that's what a Carol

1900
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,500
engine Lance would actually look like so

1901
01:19:54,610 --> 01:19:52,320
the one in Vienna the one in Hawken and

1902
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:54,620
Heinrich himmler's copy they're all

1903
01:20:01,250 --> 01:19:58,860
modeled after Carolina lances but when

1904
01:20:04,669 --> 01:20:01,260
they were inserting the nail which you

1905
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,679
see it says like one C on the bottom yep

1906
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:06,480
we're inserting that they accidentally

1907
01:20:12,850 --> 01:20:08,040
snapped it in half

1908
01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:12,860
and that's where the so the the iron

1909
01:20:17,570 --> 01:20:15,659
wrappings on the top if you look at the

1910
01:20:20,030 --> 01:20:17,580
third thing in from the left the iron

1911
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,040
wrappings are to hold the nail itself in

1912
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:22,620
place but the sleeves the three sleeves

1913
01:20:27,229 --> 01:20:25,679
that um are the center of it are to hold

1914
01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:27,239
the Lance together because it's actually

1915
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:31,790
and they are on the show on the left

1916
01:20:37,010 --> 01:20:34,199
hand side two of them but the first one

1917
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:37,020
is iron the middle one is silver and the

1918
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:38,699
outer one is gold

1919
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:40,860
and here they only show the silver and

1920
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:43,320
gold they don't have the iron layer and

1921
01:20:46,729 --> 01:20:45,540
it could be because they left one on the

1922
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,739
Lance

1923
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:49,260
where you see that I or one or whatever

1924
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:50,580
it is I think it's supposed to be a one

1925
01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:52,020
but it looks like an i the way they have

1926
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:53,100
it there

1927
01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:55,140
um maybe it's because that's supposed to

1928
01:20:58,850 --> 01:20:57,420
just be the um the iron one but I don't

1929
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:58,860
think so because it looks like you have

1930
01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:00,540
an inscription on the outside so maybe

1931
01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:02,040
there for whatever reason they're only

1932
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,900
showing two of them there is an iron

1933
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:05,760
sleeve underneath the though in Vienna

1934
01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:08,640
man this is so fascinating okay

1935
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,120
uh here it is without sleeves now this

1936
01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:15,120
is Vienna

1937
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:19,620
uh yes that should be the Viennese one

1938
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:21,420
yes that is

1939
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:25,380
and it's broken the nail is broken right

1940
01:21:29,149 --> 01:21:26,340
here

1941
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:29,159
uh not the nail the Lance itself was

1942
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,520
snapped in half okay

1943
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:34,800
so this thing that looks like a nail it

1944
01:21:39,709 --> 01:21:36,600
doesn't extend throughout the entire

1945
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:39,719
thing in this what you see on the bottom

1946
01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:41,100
of it if you go back to that original

1947
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:42,659
later you don't have to do it now but if

1948
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,480
you go back to it later you'll see that

1949
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:48,239
they extended it

1950
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:51,480
so if you if you can zoom in on that the

1951
01:21:59,209 --> 01:21:57,290
you see how there's nothing as far as a

1952
01:22:02,030 --> 01:21:59,219
nail goes that extends to the bottom

1953
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:02,040
right what they did they just extended

1954
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:03,900
this thing that's holding it in place oh

1955
01:22:07,209 --> 01:22:05,100
you can't see where I'm pointing where

1956
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:07,219
am I I'm stupid here

1957
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:10,980
I do that all the time no they they just

1958
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:12,300
extended this thing up a little bit

1959
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,300
against the um

1960
01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:17,280
um the the golden whatever you want to

1961
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,080
call it the golden sheath

1962
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:21,120
um just for aesthetic purposes I believe

1963
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:22,739
but the nail itself is doesn't go

1964
01:22:26,689 --> 01:22:24,540
through the entire lens the nail itself

1965
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:26,699
is like a normal nail size it just

1966
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:28,260
that's not what they look like that's

1967
01:22:33,649 --> 01:22:31,500
it's symbolic of the actual nails

1968
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:33,659
and speaking of stupid they just

1969
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:35,460
reopened something I was told the other

1970
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,239
day I'm in uh I'm in Hilo Hawaii or just

1971
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:41,280
outside of Hilo anyways

1972
01:22:46,189 --> 01:22:43,800
um and I was told

1973
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:46,199
there's this like pillar in the water I

1974
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:48,060
told there's a local legend that if you

1975
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:49,440
swim around it three times something

1976
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,960
will happen it's like well what will

1977
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:53,520
happen is it good or bad and they said

1978
01:22:58,610 --> 01:22:55,800
we don't know no one's ever tried it

1979
01:23:00,410 --> 01:22:58,620
before so I did it and it was low tide

1980
01:23:02,689 --> 01:23:00,420
and I'm fighting the waves going around

1981
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:02,699
it three times and ripped myself apart

1982
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:04,500
on Barnacles and I got Cuts all over

1983
01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:06,239
myself and I just reopened one of my

1984
01:23:10,030 --> 01:23:07,460
hands

1985
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:10,040
that's stupidity for you

1986
01:23:16,130 --> 01:23:13,739
listen to the local Legends man what are

1987
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:16,140
you doing

1988
01:23:20,590 --> 01:23:19,260
yay yay so let's go to this next image

1989
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:20,600
here

1990
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,520
and I'm starting to become kind of the

1991
01:23:28,669 --> 01:23:25,860
expert here

1992
01:23:30,770 --> 01:23:28,679
um oh hold on hold on for a second it's

1993
01:23:40,209 --> 01:23:30,780
got to uh

1994
01:23:40,219 --> 01:23:44,750
and this is the knockoff

1995
01:23:48,169 --> 01:23:46,550
and the way you can tell

1996
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:48,179
if you just look at the top of it

1997
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:50,219
there's a space between the nail and the

1998
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:51,540
rest of it

1999
01:23:56,570 --> 01:23:53,100
the one in Vienna doesn't have a space

2000
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:56,580
that right here uh uh if you go down

2001
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:01,490
see those two windows they actually call

2002
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:04,800
them when oh keep going up further up

2003
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:07,739
right there you see a space uh-huh on

2004
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:10,260
both sides of the nail

2005
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:12,600
you see what I'm talking about I do

2006
01:24:15,890 --> 01:24:14,520
so that space

2007
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:15,900
on both sides of the nail you don't see

2008
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:27,590
that's the Himmler copy

2009
01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:30,540
and and I'm assuming you took this

2010
01:24:38,330 --> 01:24:36,350
that stand used to belong to Heinrich

2011
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:38,340
Himmler as well he kept it on his desk

2012
01:24:49,550 --> 01:24:47,810
no spaces right but that's himmler's

2013
01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:49,560
copy right one Indiana there's no

2014
01:24:59,630 --> 01:24:57,350
have you taken this apart

2015
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,640
we have yep

2016
01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:01,199
and

2017
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,760
there are bits of metal but that doesn't

2018
01:25:06,770 --> 01:25:03,840
mean anything

2019
01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:06,780
like I said I could if I wanted to

2020
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:09,239
I could take one of these copies or I

2021
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:10,920
could have another copy made myself by

2022
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,060
someone who knows what they're doing

2023
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:14,820
take bits of metal from an actual Roman

2024
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:16,440
Lance from the first century and put

2025
01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:18,120
them in there I don't think it ever

2026
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:20,460
pierce the side of the bits of metal I

2027
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,600
don't think it's from a lance that

2028
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:23,400
actually appears the side of Jesus but

2029
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:27,480
Himmler did and Hitler did right right

2030
01:25:32,689 --> 01:25:29,780
like obviously

2031
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:32,699
the Lance itself didn't exist before the

2032
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:34,860
Canon Vienna didn't exist before the

2033
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:37,380
Carol engine Empire so it didn't exist

2034
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,440
before the year 742 and it didn't exist

2035
01:25:44,990 --> 01:25:43,440
before Charles the great Charlemagne

2036
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,000
um what

2037
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,760
what I keep wondering is at what point

2038
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:50,040
did the original Lance that they thought

2039
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:51,600
pierced the sight of Jesus the one that

2040
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,400
would have looked like the the Roman

2041
01:25:57,410 --> 01:25:55,199
Lance the first century Roman Lance I

2042
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,420
showed you earlier at what point did

2043
01:26:01,910 --> 01:26:00,000
that either go missing or at what point

2044
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,920
did that thing just start deteriorating

2045
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:03,600
so much that they took bits of metal

2046
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:06,840
from it and created a Carol engine Lance

2047
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:11,159
obviously in the 8th Century how's it

2048
01:26:15,890 --> 01:26:13,500
and we'll never have that information we

2049
01:26:19,370 --> 01:26:15,900
have old texts with really old text with

2050
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,380
pictures of uh of Kings holding it but

2051
01:26:24,590 --> 01:26:22,260
when I say old text we're talking you

2052
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:24,600
know something that's maybe

2053
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:29,460
uh 1200s so that's a thousand two

2054
01:26:33,530 --> 01:26:31,860
hundred years later we can't call that a

2055
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:33,540
historical Christian tax and that's why

2056
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,239
it actually it shouldn't anger me but

2057
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:38,400
sometimes when I'm talking to people

2058
01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:40,199
about different religions and it happens

2059
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:42,120
all the time for whatever reason in

2060
01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:44,520
Christianity and in Buddhism and I'm

2061
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:46,679
personally Buddhist but I grew up half

2062
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:49,080
Christian so I I'm well versed in both

2063
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:49,980
faiths

2064
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:51,960
I always find it weird when people say

2065
01:26:57,709 --> 01:26:55,320
no I read this in a real historical text

2066
01:26:59,390 --> 01:26:57,719
and I look at it and in some cases the

2067
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:59,400
historical taxes let's say from the year

2068
01:27:04,370 --> 01:27:02,340
700 or from the First Council the the

2069
01:27:08,689 --> 01:27:04,380
church's first Council which I believe

2070
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:08,699
was 836 or 863 something like that

2071
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:11,580
um but I'm like all right if you think

2072
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:14,219
this is real historical evidence

2073
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,340
of what Jesus did when he was alive then

2074
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:18,960
you would have no problem with me

2075
01:27:22,729 --> 01:27:20,760
talking about something that happened

2076
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:22,739
800 years ago

2077
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,920
basically if you think of it 750 years

2078
01:27:31,610 --> 01:27:28,080
before I was alive and you'd say that

2079
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,620
was a reliable historical source I don't

2080
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:34,320
think so no you're much closer to the

2081
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:39,120
reliable source in a in a safer way that

2082
01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:42,239
they were right yeah there's there's no

2083
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:44,820
documentation there's it's all it's all

2084
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:47,880
oral tradition at that point it's not

2085
01:27:54,590 --> 01:27:51,179
like there are Greek or you know

2086
01:27:56,649 --> 01:27:54,600
documents or some kind of uh you know

2087
01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:56,659
bill of sale

2088
01:28:00,649 --> 01:27:59,460
there isn't anything to do that with

2089
01:28:04,669 --> 01:28:00,659
um can I ask you

2090
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:04,679
um how are these how are these bits uh

2091
01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:08,040
displayed or held in place they're not

2092
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:09,960
so when you pull that nail out they move

2093
01:28:14,689 --> 01:28:12,060
around

2094
01:28:16,729 --> 01:28:14,699
they were literally dropped in there and

2095
01:28:19,070 --> 01:28:16,739
then the nail was put in place to to

2096
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:19,080
like sandwich it in the center

2097
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,920
really yeah so it could be anything

2098
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:24,719
right that's right like I'm literally

2099
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:27,300
when I say I I could I wouldn't do it

2100
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,340
with my own because I like that that

2101
01:28:34,729 --> 01:28:31,920
first century Roman Lance but I could

2102
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:34,739
probably go out and buy one that's in uh

2103
01:28:40,490 --> 01:28:37,739
poor shape but did get dated to the

2104
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,500
first century and I could buy one for

2105
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:42,960
maybe 300 bucks like anyone can go out

2106
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:45,480
and buy one that's in the one I have is

2107
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:46,620
in great shape that's why I wouldn't

2108
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:49,860
damage that but let's say if I were

2109
01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:52,620
if I were a common artist and I actually

2110
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,540
wanted to do this

2111
01:28:58,729 --> 01:28:56,639
I could hire someone pay someone a few

2112
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,739
thousand dollars to create a duplicate

2113
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:01,199
make it look like the one in Vienna and

2114
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:03,780
then buy a first century Roman Lance for

2115
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:06,239
300 bucks break off bits of metal put it

2116
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,800
in there and then pass this off as

2117
01:29:11,570 --> 01:29:08,880
something real

2118
01:29:13,550 --> 01:29:11,580
but Heinrich Himmler didn't do that he

2119
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:13,560
didn't care about making people think

2120
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:15,540
it's real which blows apart that theory

2121
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:18,540
that he replaced the one in Vienna with

2122
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,480
his own and he has the real one

2123
01:29:26,209 --> 01:29:23,120
um so that theory is out of the picture

2124
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:26,219
and there's no evidence whatsoever that

2125
01:29:30,649 --> 01:29:28,440
Patton actually had one we do know that

2126
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:30,659
he loved it and he was in incense with

2127
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:31,500
it

2128
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,420
um or that's probably the wrong word

2129
01:29:36,770 --> 01:29:35,040
um he was obsessed with it that's

2130
01:29:39,129 --> 01:29:36,780
probably a better word

2131
01:29:43,070 --> 01:29:39,139
um and we now have you know information

2132
01:29:45,229 --> 01:29:43,080
real information that there was a set of

2133
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,239
copies in Georgia in the United States

2134
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,520
but from the descriptions

2135
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:49,920
and it looked like it was a real legal

2136
01:29:54,649 --> 01:29:52,320
investigation that the Army carried out

2137
01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:54,659
we know those weren't real either so

2138
01:29:58,729 --> 01:29:57,060
that it rips apart the U.S being

2139
01:30:01,550 --> 01:29:58,739
involved with some sort of a cover-up

2140
01:30:03,410 --> 01:30:01,560
Theory as well uh all we know is the

2141
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,420
oldest one in existence

2142
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:05,820
is in this is it's it's so much simpler

2143
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:07,980
like the way we get here is really

2144
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,040
complex and it gets convoluted but it's

2145
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:13,679
really simple the one in Vienna is the

2146
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:15,540
oldest Lance we know of

2147
01:30:19,610 --> 01:30:17,400
but it's not a you know a first century

2148
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:19,620
Roman Lance it's Carol engine lands

2149
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,580
the next oldest one is the copy in akan

2150
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:26,159
and then the only other copy that we

2151
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:27,000
have

2152
01:30:30,890 --> 01:30:29,159
on display anywhere

2153
01:30:32,990 --> 01:30:30,900
is the one that's now in the United

2154
01:30:35,629 --> 01:30:33,000
States that used to belong to Heinrich

2155
01:30:38,450 --> 01:30:35,639
Himmler and before him Adolf Hitler

2156
01:30:39,290 --> 01:30:38,460
the Roman Catholic church has half of a

2157
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,300
lance

2158
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,760
and that one is in Saint Peter's

2159
01:30:46,729 --> 01:30:43,440
Cathedral and it's actually in one of

2160
01:30:50,270 --> 01:30:46,739
the um support beams one of the columns

2161
01:30:52,129 --> 01:30:50,280
as you walk in and the other part of

2162
01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:52,139
that is in France but if you take a look

2163
01:30:57,709 --> 01:30:53,580
at that Lance and you can find pictures

2164
01:30:58,729 --> 01:30:57,719
of this half of it anyways in um if you

2165
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,739
just take a look at those pictures

2166
01:31:02,270 --> 01:31:00,480
online

2167
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:02,280
we're not dealing with the Carol engine

2168
01:31:06,770 --> 01:31:04,920
Lance so and we know where it came from

2169
01:31:08,030 --> 01:31:06,780
too and we know why half of it is in

2170
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,040
France it had to deal with the church

2171
01:31:11,810 --> 01:31:10,080
maintaining its power and sharing its

2172
01:31:12,890 --> 01:31:11,820
power with the leaders of France at the

2173
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:12,900
time

2174
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:15,480
um that's a no-brainer it has nothing to

2175
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,580
do with the real uh Lance that appears

2176
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,800
the side of Jesus and then we have

2177
01:31:22,490 --> 01:31:21,600
another copy

2178
01:31:24,350 --> 01:31:22,500
um

2179
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:24,360
where is it

2180
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:26,940
I think it's in Armenia but it's not

2181
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:28,980
even a lance so if you type in our

2182
01:31:32,590 --> 01:31:30,810
Armenian

2183
01:31:35,450 --> 01:31:32,600
[Music]

2184
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:35,460
Armenian holy lands or Spear of Destiny

2185
01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:39,360
Armenia what you'll see is a flag finial

2186
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:40,860
it's the thing that goes on top of a

2187
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:42,860
flagpost it's

2188
01:31:48,770 --> 01:31:45,480
not a spirit it's not a lance it's a

2189
01:31:50,990 --> 01:31:48,780
flag finial yeah yeah I've seen that um

2190
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:51,000
I'll tell you something cool unrelated

2191
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:53,100
though

2192
01:32:02,750 --> 01:31:58,560
um in the Armenian cathedral in Venice

2193
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:02,760
Italy all right it's the oldest uh

2194
01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:06,239
Christian cathedral in Italy

2195
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:09,300
um uh The Armenian Church is extremely

2196
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:12,420
old right okay so there

2197
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:16,500
they have on display a gift from Armenia

2198
01:32:21,169 --> 01:32:18,320
are you ready

2199
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:21,179
the world's oldest

2200
01:32:24,850 --> 01:32:22,440
sword

2201
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:24,860
oh really yeah that's cool

2202
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:29,100
it's bronze and it's 8

2203
01:32:36,010 --> 01:32:30,719
000 years old

2204
01:32:39,229 --> 01:32:36,020
Bronze Age

2205
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,239
yeah yeah yeah go and figure that out uh

2206
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:41,520
okay that's just a little side note okay

2207
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:44,340
so let's uh now we've got another set of

2208
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,320
images here uh what are we looking at

2209
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:48,480
here Ken

2210
01:32:51,890 --> 01:32:50,400
um I was actually just trying to find

2211
01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:51,900
something for you

2212
01:32:55,010 --> 01:32:53,699
um well actually I wanted to find

2213
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,020
something for

2214
01:32:59,090 --> 01:32:57,360
um your Watchers or your listeners

2215
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,100
they

2216
01:33:02,689 --> 01:33:01,800
the tests that were done to date the

2217
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:02,699
spear

2218
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:06,000
in the bits of metal inside there's a

2219
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,560
documentary

2220
01:33:11,930 --> 01:33:09,600
uh in which the the person who did all

2221
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:11,940
the tests if you just I think it

2222
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:13,560
initially aired on the History Channel

2223
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:17,460
but if you just type in

2224
01:33:23,209 --> 01:33:20,760
um Spirit of Destiny and look for not a

2225
01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:23,219
like a full hour-long documentary it was

2226
01:33:27,649 --> 01:33:25,020
like a half hour documentary where they

2227
01:33:30,530 --> 01:33:27,659
only talked about the testing of it

2228
01:33:32,689 --> 01:33:30,540
and um I wish

2229
01:33:35,450 --> 01:33:32,699
I really wish I could find this but I'll

2230
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:35,460
look and what I'll do is um send it to

2231
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:36,960
you once I do find it I was actually

2232
01:33:41,450 --> 01:33:39,780
just pulling up my text on it

2233
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,460
um there was a

2234
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,440
there were two tests that were performed

2235
01:33:49,129 --> 01:33:45,360
and one of them was in 2005 and one of

2236
01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:49,139
them was in 2012 and they were somehow

2237
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:51,480
testing the carbon in the metal which I

2238
01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:52,920
don't I don't know anything about how to

2239
01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:54,780
do that or even if it's accurate I

2240
01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:56,760
couldn't say anything about it

2241
01:34:00,410 --> 01:33:58,679
um but if if people want to do their own

2242
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:00,420
research just a bit it wouldn't take you

2243
01:34:04,270 --> 01:34:02,460
long and you can just watch it I bet you

2244
01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:04,280
can even watch it for free online

2245
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:07,260
uh anyway what we're looking at right at

2246
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,360
right here if you look at it since we

2247
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:11,040
have spaces in the top

2248
01:34:17,570 --> 01:34:13,020
this is the copy

2249
01:34:21,129 --> 01:34:17,580
because they're windows

2250
01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:21,139
and there's an old text at ludaprint

2251
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:23,159
ludaprint of

2252
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:23,940
um

2253
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:25,380
wherever he was from if you type in

2254
01:34:31,729 --> 01:34:27,060
ludibrant he's a he was a famous

2255
01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:31,739
historian and in his text which he wrote

2256
01:34:36,050 --> 01:34:34,500
in kind of an old form of Italian he

2257
01:34:37,370 --> 01:34:36,060
called them

2258
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:37,380
windows

2259
01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:39,480
and the Italian word for window is

2260
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:41,820
finestra so they finance today the

2261
01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:44,639
windows uh the Latin form I think was

2262
01:34:47,570 --> 01:34:45,960
closer to the Spanish but I don't

2263
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:47,580
remember it's been years since I studied

2264
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,159
Latin he used a word that was kind of in

2265
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,840
the in between the two and I have it in

2266
01:34:56,330 --> 01:34:54,000
my book but obviously the book won't be

2267
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,340
published for a few years I'm still

2268
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:58,800
shopping around for publishers

2269
01:35:04,189 --> 01:35:01,920
well this is going to be huge now in

2270
01:35:05,149 --> 01:35:04,199
this um I can't I I can't wait for the

2271
01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:05,159
book

2272
01:35:10,850 --> 01:35:07,860
um uh very excited about that in this

2273
01:35:13,330 --> 01:35:10,860
breakdown of the parts which is also

2274
01:35:18,050 --> 01:35:13,340
um in a in in the previous illustrations

2275
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:18,060
what is 1D and one e

2276
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:20,760
so

2277
01:35:24,649 --> 01:35:23,040
the sides of I know you can't see where

2278
01:35:26,450 --> 01:35:24,659
I'm putting my current where your cursor

2279
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:26,460
is right now if you go to the left and

2280
01:35:30,770 --> 01:35:29,520
you look at the side of the the sheaths

2281
01:35:32,990 --> 01:35:30,780
themselves

2282
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,000
those sheaths

2283
01:35:36,649 --> 01:35:35,280
they're on both sides but they're not

2284
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:36,659
one piece

2285
01:35:43,129 --> 01:35:39,600
so they were put on two different pieces

2286
01:35:45,649 --> 01:35:43,139
and they were fastened together correct

2287
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,659
those are the rivet holes

2288
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:48,000
on the side so you have to imagine that

2289
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:51,360
they're attached to the whole uh sleeve

2290
01:35:54,770 --> 01:35:52,920
itself but they're on the side of it

2291
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:54,780
those are the rivets that connect the

2292
01:35:57,229 --> 01:35:56,460
front of it to the back of it on the

2293
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:57,239
lens

2294
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:01,440
and so but these are flat

2295
01:36:03,770 --> 01:36:03,120
yes so

2296
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:03,780
um

2297
01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:06,840
I would never do this but let's say I

2298
01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:09,480
wanted to take apart one of the sheaths

2299
01:36:14,330 --> 01:36:12,060
that's on Heinrich himmler's land I

2300
01:36:18,530 --> 01:36:14,340
could pull it off the Lance itself

2301
01:36:20,990 --> 01:36:18,540
and then just pop the sides apart

2302
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:21,000
so you have two that were flat so think

2303
01:36:24,350 --> 01:36:22,800
of it this way the metal itself was

2304
01:36:26,570 --> 01:36:24,360
completely flat

2305
01:36:28,189 --> 01:36:26,580
and then they were wrapped around and

2306
01:36:29,629 --> 01:36:28,199
both sides wrapped around two different

2307
01:36:32,330 --> 01:36:29,639
pieces of metal

2308
01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:32,340
joined together on the sides

2309
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:34,199
so you have the rivets in this flat

2310
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:36,060
piece of metal before it's bent around

2311
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:38,040
the lens

2312
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:40,920
man this is just fascinating

2313
01:36:51,169 --> 01:36:48,169
no here there's the cross right there's

2314
01:36:52,669 --> 01:36:51,179
the crown uh I don't see the Apple here

2315
01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:52,679
where's the Apple

2316
01:36:56,689 --> 01:36:54,900
oh there it is

2317
01:37:00,290 --> 01:36:56,699
um yes that's it

2318
01:37:05,390 --> 01:37:03,110
and those are obviously who who's who's

2319
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:05,400
this I'm trying to see tell you the

2320
01:37:08,570 --> 01:37:06,960
truth I'm not sure where that is but I

2321
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,580
have that information

2322
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:09,840
um and obviously I can get it to you

2323
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:12,360
later I have I'm in you know I'm in

2324
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:14,639
Hawaii for the next month or so uh when

2325
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:16,560
I get back to Massachusetts you know I

2326
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:19,620
could send you this stuff but um there's

2327
01:37:24,830 --> 01:37:22,320
a whole bunch of books on the theft of

2328
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:24,840
Nazi treasures and

2329
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:28,260
um the pursuit of Nazi Treasures uh by

2330
01:37:33,649 --> 01:37:30,960
U.S servicemen and this might have been

2331
01:37:36,050 --> 01:37:33,659
the first time that they got this back

2332
01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:36,060
from the Nazi horde and then this is

2333
01:37:40,850 --> 01:37:38,580
before they returned it to Vienna and

2334
01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:40,860
that's my game and there's a there's a

2335
01:37:46,370 --> 01:37:43,260
good book on the subject called

2336
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:46,380
um Hitler's holy relics

2337
01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:47,100
um

2338
01:37:52,129 --> 01:37:49,800
Ken Alfred books although they're

2339
01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:52,139
controversial he did some serious

2340
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:54,300
research they're all academic books but

2341
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:56,520
the spoils of World War II and he had

2342
01:38:01,490 --> 01:37:58,020
like two other ones that were great

2343
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:01,500
books and there's another one too that

2344
01:38:08,090 --> 01:38:04,980
was made into a a movie starring Brad

2345
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:08,100
Pitt and George Clooney yeah what was

2346
01:38:13,970 --> 01:38:11,880
that called oh I forgot but um there's a

2347
01:38:17,390 --> 01:38:13,980
book the real book on on the real

2348
01:38:19,729 --> 01:38:17,400
incident the movie itself I wasn't a

2349
01:38:21,890 --> 01:38:19,739
huge fan of but I'm a historian and I

2350
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:21,900
like you know I like things that really

2351
01:38:27,050 --> 01:38:24,600
are true to you know what happened so

2352
01:38:30,169 --> 01:38:27,060
that is like a more mainstream

2353
01:38:32,090 --> 01:38:30,179
book on uh looking for Nazi Treasures

2354
01:38:33,709 --> 01:38:32,100
but that still won't give you the kind

2355
01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:33,719
of information I think some of your

2356
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:38,360
viewers and listeners would want yeah

2357
01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:42,300
Monument Men yes that is it yes you know

2358
01:38:44,830 --> 01:38:43,860
what's interesting about this Photograph

2359
01:38:47,570 --> 01:38:44,840
though

2360
01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:47,580
you didn't even mention this

2361
01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:49,620
they also found

2362
01:38:55,610 --> 01:38:53,000
Michael Jackson's glove

2363
01:38:57,890 --> 01:38:55,620
which tells you he's way older than he

2364
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,900
thought he was I just thought I'd throw

2365
01:39:01,270 --> 01:39:00,000
that in there just in case nobody uh

2366
01:39:04,729 --> 01:39:01,280
caught that

2367
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:04,739
but uh there it is right there

2368
01:39:11,410 --> 01:39:06,960
um yeah monument man I liked Monument

2369
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:14,090
there's so many books out there on you

2370
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:15,600
know looking for Holy Roman Empire

2371
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:18,719
treasures and looking for Nazis you know

2372
01:39:23,810 --> 01:39:20,340
stolen artwork and that kind of thing

2373
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:23,820
there's even a there's a book called

2374
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,400
um the Hitler's art Thief which is a

2375
01:39:29,570 --> 01:39:28,080
good one but it focuses more on like

2376
01:39:32,930 --> 01:39:29,580
missing paintings and those kind of

2377
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:32,940
things that they they took from others

2378
01:39:39,470 --> 01:39:36,719
now uh you avoided answering so I'll ask

2379
01:39:42,890 --> 01:39:39,480
again how did you how did you uh come to

2380
01:39:45,110 --> 01:39:42,900
possess uh the Spear of Destiny

2381
01:39:47,149 --> 01:39:45,120
I bought it

2382
01:39:49,790 --> 01:39:47,159
how did something like that go up for

2383
01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:49,800
sale I mean I'm capable we all want to

2384
01:39:57,709 --> 01:39:51,960
know

2385
01:40:03,770 --> 01:40:00,229
um it it it's

2386
01:40:05,870 --> 01:40:03,780
um it could have been cheap number one

2387
01:40:09,410 --> 01:40:05,880
but two

2388
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:09,420
um how it's almost like a movie and and

2389
01:40:14,990 --> 01:40:12,480
in fact this is an excellent movie

2390
01:40:17,390 --> 01:40:15,000
um and I'm sure Hollywood beat would be

2391
01:40:19,390 --> 01:40:17,400
very interested in making it

2392
01:40:23,570 --> 01:40:19,400
um that's not advertised on Craigslist

2393
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:23,580
of course all right so uh how how does

2394
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:26,040
one find out about something like this

2395
01:40:31,070 --> 01:40:28,080
popping up for sale

2396
01:40:36,590 --> 01:40:34,310
one of the biggest art heists that ever

2397
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,600
happened in the entire world minus what

2398
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,880
the Nazis did all over Europe

2399
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:41,760
was in New York City oh I'm sorry in

2400
01:40:47,470 --> 01:40:42,600
Boston

2401
01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:47,480
Day Parade yeah

2402
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,820
one Museum was

2403
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,040
basically cleared out millions of

2404
01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:55,440
dollars worth of really famous painting

2405
01:40:59,149 --> 01:40:57,300
and most of them never surfaced again

2406
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:59,159
some of them they they ended up finding

2407
01:41:02,330 --> 01:41:00,239
because they figured out who actually

2408
01:41:03,530 --> 01:41:02,340
stole them but the ones that were

2409
01:41:05,890 --> 01:41:03,540
already sold

2410
01:41:09,110 --> 01:41:05,900
they've never surfaced again

2411
01:41:12,050 --> 01:41:09,120
yes in World War II paintings and

2412
01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:12,060
artwork that was stolen by Goring uh

2413
01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:13,139
Hess

2414
01:41:16,010 --> 01:41:14,760
Hitler

2415
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:16,020
and

2416
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:17,280
um there was another guy who was

2417
01:41:22,669 --> 01:41:19,260
fascinated with artwork and I his name's

2418
01:41:25,129 --> 01:41:22,679
escaping me Himmler was a religious item

2419
01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:25,139
fanatic but others wanted the artwork

2420
01:41:31,129 --> 01:41:27,960
and we're still missing tons of pieces

2421
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:31,139
including the delt the Ghent Altarpiece

2422
01:41:36,830 --> 01:41:34,800
and that supposedly contained a map

2423
01:41:40,010 --> 01:41:36,840
which would tell you where the Ark of

2424
01:41:41,570 --> 01:41:40,020
the Covenant was and that's a whole you

2425
01:41:42,770 --> 01:41:41,580
could have me on it for a different you

2426
01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:42,780
know different time talking about what

2427
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:45,540
the Ark of the Covenant really was but

2428
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:47,940
um that's missing it's never been found

2429
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:50,880
and if you think of this there's no way

2430
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:53,340
it's destroyed someone owns that that's

2431
01:41:58,010 --> 01:41:55,199
in someone's house

2432
01:42:02,149 --> 01:41:58,020
and I've seen homes that have full

2433
01:42:03,649 --> 01:42:02,159
walk-in vaults downstairs with items you

2434
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:03,659
couldn't I couldn't possibly imagine

2435
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,480
even owning like they just don't exist

2436
01:42:11,090 --> 01:42:09,119
and let's say right now like I'll give

2437
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:11,100
you a for instance and I'm going to

2438
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:13,080
preface this by saying I am not a Nazi

2439
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,520
or a Neo-Nazi but I inherited a flag in

2440
01:42:21,890 --> 01:42:19,920
two metals that were Nazi

2441
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:21,900
now you can't sell those anywhere

2442
01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:24,000
they're illegal in Germany which means

2443
01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:26,040
because they're illegal in Germany most

2444
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,440
of Europe you can't sell it you can't go

2445
01:42:32,209 --> 01:42:30,480
online with auction houses and sell it

2446
01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:32,219
and almost anything you try to post

2447
01:42:36,590 --> 01:42:34,260
online they'll take you down because

2448
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,600
they don't want you know anything to do

2449
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:37,920
with the swastika or anything like that

2450
01:42:42,770 --> 01:42:39,900
and all the metals had swastikas on them

2451
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:42,780
and I had a huge I still have it now but

2452
01:42:49,570 --> 01:42:46,080
it's a huge Nazi flag that if you read

2453
01:42:53,629 --> 01:42:49,580
the top of it was from Berlin and

2454
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:53,639
supposedly it belonged where Hitler was

2455
01:42:58,609 --> 01:42:57,119
like near his bunker and

2456
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,619
I wanted to get rid of it I didn't want

2457
01:43:02,570 --> 01:43:00,480
it in my house I'm like I have a lot of

2458
01:43:05,810 --> 01:43:02,580
spiritual items from Buddhism mostly

2459
01:43:08,510 --> 01:43:05,820
Buddhist stuff in my house and hundreds

2460
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,520
of books because I'm a weirdo but um I

2461
01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:10,800
didn't want that near my spiritual

2462
01:43:16,609 --> 01:43:14,760
Buddhist items no no no no not at all I

2463
01:43:18,350 --> 01:43:16,619
grabbed one of my friends who sells a

2464
01:43:20,510 --> 01:43:18,360
whole bunch of stuff like that and I

2465
01:43:23,629 --> 01:43:20,520
said do me a favor just sell it to sell

2466
01:43:25,129 --> 01:43:23,639
it to whoever whoever you can and give

2467
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,139
me the money he's like yep no problem

2468
01:43:29,930 --> 01:43:28,080
and then I got a phone call he still has

2469
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,940
it right now

2470
01:43:35,570 --> 01:43:32,400
um I got a phone call maybe a week later

2471
01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:35,580
and he said uh I'm gonna I'm gonna sell

2472
01:43:40,490 --> 01:43:38,580
the medals but the flag is fake I'm like

2473
01:43:42,590 --> 01:43:40,500
what do you mean and at my house he

2474
01:43:44,209 --> 01:43:42,600
actually brought out uh some weird light

2475
01:43:45,290 --> 01:43:44,219
that I'd never seen before he was

2476
01:43:47,629 --> 01:43:45,300
looking at things he's like I don't know

2477
01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:47,639
about this one he said the Nazis never

2478
01:43:52,129 --> 01:43:49,860
stitched like this he said they stitched

2479
01:43:54,410 --> 01:43:52,139
in straight lines at the base of the

2480
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:54,420
flag and he said these are crossed like

2481
01:43:57,770 --> 01:43:56,159
they never did that so this one's fake

2482
01:43:59,629 --> 01:43:57,780
and it looks if you look at this thing

2483
01:44:02,750 --> 01:43:59,639
like I'm not an expert in that kind of

2484
01:44:05,209 --> 01:44:02,760
stuff I would say it was real right I

2485
01:44:07,550 --> 01:44:05,219
mean it looks real it it looks that old

2486
01:44:09,169 --> 01:44:07,560
everything about it and he's like no

2487
01:44:11,209 --> 01:44:09,179
it's not real I'll give it back to you

2488
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,219
next week he said it's only worth about

2489
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:12,960
30 bucks and that's just because of the

2490
01:44:18,290 --> 01:44:15,840
material it's made out of in in the um

2491
01:44:22,430 --> 01:44:18,300
I'll tell you a funny story uh about

2492
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:22,440
this this would have been in the late

2493
01:44:27,290 --> 01:44:24,239
80s

2494
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:27,300
um I get a a really nice black leather

2495
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:32,159
jacket and I wanted to throw some uh uh

2496
01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:34,260
metals on it and just you know you know

2497
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,060
you know how it was you know you you

2498
01:44:41,870 --> 01:44:39,119
know dress up the metal jacket so I go

2499
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:41,880
to a military surplus store here in

2500
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,400
Southern California the biggest one

2501
01:44:48,649 --> 01:44:46,560
and I went in and I told the guy what I

2502
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,659
wanted I want some you know MacArthur

2503
01:44:53,149 --> 01:44:50,880
Stars you know whatever you know I just

2504
01:44:57,169 --> 01:44:53,159
want some cool stuff to put on I said

2505
01:44:59,810 --> 01:44:57,179
hey do you have um you know a Russian

2506
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,820
star uh that would look cool because I

2507
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:01,679
actually I have a I have a real one yeah

2508
01:45:06,490 --> 01:45:04,800
I do and then and then he looks at me

2509
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:06,500
and he goes

2510
01:45:12,590 --> 01:45:09,440
no Nazi stuff

2511
01:45:14,350 --> 01:45:12,600
he just looked right after dude I knew I

2512
01:45:17,570 --> 01:45:14,360
wasn't even going there

2513
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:17,580
but it was just so funny how he looked

2514
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:20,820
at me man and he was serious you know

2515
01:45:24,770 --> 01:45:22,800
he's probably a war vet you know a

2516
01:45:27,229 --> 01:45:24,780
military vet and things but it was

2517
01:45:28,370 --> 01:45:27,239
really funny how he looked at me the

2518
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:28,380
next question

2519
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:31,970
I'm gonna answer it was really funny

2520
01:45:41,810 --> 01:45:39,350
but uh but I did get the Russian star

2521
01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:41,820
yeah that's awesome nice yeah that was

2522
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:43,860
pretty cool I I wore that with pride I

2523
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:46,260
have no idea where that jacket is uh to

2524
01:45:51,649 --> 01:45:47,600
today

2525
01:45:55,550 --> 01:45:51,659
40 years ago but it was just so funny

2526
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:55,560
and and I think I asked him Ken I said

2527
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,460
why no it's not legal I think I think

2528
01:46:03,649 --> 01:46:01,440
everybody told me that was 40 years ago

2529
01:46:06,290 --> 01:46:03,659
but Matt's what my memory

2530
01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:06,300
uh what my memory says

2531
01:46:13,729 --> 01:46:10,980
um but uh and and so would the would

2532
01:46:17,709 --> 01:46:13,739
this Spear of Destiny fall under that

2533
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:17,719
category if it's uh if it's a Himmler

2534
01:46:24,410 --> 01:46:22,080
produced knockoff I think so but so

2535
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,420
although

2536
01:46:29,870 --> 01:46:26,639
I think in the United States it's not

2537
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:29,880
illegal to actually sell Nazi things I

2538
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,639
think most auction houses simply don't

2539
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:34,800
do it because

2540
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,159
countries in Europe prohibited there was

2541
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,320
some time ago I I don't remember if it

2542
01:46:44,750 --> 01:46:42,239
was two or three years ago though an

2543
01:46:48,830 --> 01:46:44,760
engraved watch that used to belong to

2544
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:48,840
Adolf Hitler was sold from a auction

2545
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:50,880
house I think it was in Georgia actually

2546
01:46:55,310 --> 01:46:53,760
uh for millions of dollars or it's like

2547
01:46:57,410 --> 01:46:55,320
a million 200 000 something like

2548
01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:57,420
something ridiculous

2549
01:47:02,330 --> 01:46:59,219
um and of course the seller's name

2550
01:47:03,050 --> 01:47:02,340
wasn't ever really I'm sorry the buyer's

2551
01:47:05,209 --> 01:47:03,060
name

2552
01:47:07,070 --> 01:47:05,219
wasn't ever released and the person who

2553
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:07,080
sold it to

2554
01:47:11,090 --> 01:47:09,119
um or gave it to the auction house to

2555
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:11,100
auction it that wasn't ever released

2556
01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:13,860
either so everyone remained Anonymous

2557
01:47:19,010 --> 01:47:16,619
with this one obviously the seller and

2558
01:47:21,530 --> 01:47:19,020
the auction house itself made out pretty

2559
01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:21,540
well whatever that amount was and if you

2560
01:47:26,570 --> 01:47:23,580
just type in uh engraved Hitler with

2561
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,580
Hitler's watch sells for at auction the

2562
01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:28,080
name of the auction house which I don't

2563
01:47:31,790 --> 01:47:30,780
remember and the amount will definitely

2564
01:47:33,470 --> 01:47:31,800
come up

2565
01:47:35,209 --> 01:47:33,480
someone had mentioned it to me and I

2566
01:47:37,070 --> 01:47:35,219
checked it out and I I just couldn't

2567
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,080
believe I thought you couldn't sell that

2568
01:47:41,930 --> 01:47:39,119
that kind of thing at all in the U.S

2569
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:41,940
so what's next we've done you know the

2570
01:47:49,370 --> 01:47:45,119
big reveal here today on the show and we

2571
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:49,380
know that himmler's uh knockoff I'm just

2572
01:47:55,129 --> 01:47:51,060
gonna call it a knockout you know his

2573
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:55,139
copy of this fear of Destiny is is here

2574
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,260
in the United States and you have it

2575
01:48:01,490 --> 01:48:00,480
um what what's next

2576
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,500
um is

2577
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:03,360
that you're going to have people asking

2578
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,739
you about it now uh uh now that it's

2579
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:09,840
public so what's going to happen after

2580
01:48:14,330 --> 01:48:11,760
this I'm gonna finish that book I'm

2581
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,340
going to shop around for a publisher

2582
01:48:19,490 --> 01:48:16,560
um my previous you know Publishers or

2583
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:19,500
for the most part academic Publishers

2584
01:48:24,290 --> 01:48:21,900
um that's not the kind of you know

2585
01:48:27,709 --> 01:48:24,300
audience that I want for this book so um

2586
01:48:29,689 --> 01:48:27,719
even my agent she deals with more

2587
01:48:31,550 --> 01:48:29,699
academic work and she you know handles

2588
01:48:33,410 --> 01:48:31,560
the television things and the podcasting

2589
01:48:35,629 --> 01:48:33,420
well some of the podcast things she

2590
01:48:36,590 --> 01:48:35,639
didn't she didn't handle this one

2591
01:48:39,649 --> 01:48:36,600
um

2592
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:39,659
but that book's going to come out

2593
01:48:45,169 --> 01:48:42,719
there's an article coming out soon

2594
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,179
um by ancient Origins that I wrote

2595
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,800
that's going to come out I think on the

2596
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:48,480
22nd of this month

2597
01:48:51,649 --> 01:48:50,100
there's another article that's going to

2598
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:51,659
be coming out that I have to actually

2599
01:48:57,169 --> 01:48:55,199
finish soon but um outside of the things

2600
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:57,179
I'm doing with it

2601
01:49:01,810 --> 01:48:59,040
and I'm I'm going to make sure this

2602
01:49:04,729 --> 01:49:01,820
doesn't happen but you have to remember

2603
01:49:07,370 --> 01:49:04,739
this this Lance

2604
01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:07,380
was symbolic of the German kings

2605
01:49:11,629 --> 01:49:09,480
it's the thing that that's at one point

2606
01:49:14,450 --> 01:49:11,639
the Pope used to give power to the

2607
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:14,460
German kings and then they carried the

2608
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,300
Lance

2609
01:49:19,250 --> 01:49:17,760
the German kings always carried lands

2610
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:19,260
until they introduced the Byzantine

2611
01:49:24,530 --> 01:49:22,080
crown and then it went into you know it

2612
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,540
went on display but you have the first

2613
01:49:28,850 --> 01:49:26,880
strike the First Holy Roman Empire the

2614
01:49:31,729 --> 01:49:28,860
first strike was Constantine

2615
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:31,739
then you have the second Reich

2616
01:49:36,050 --> 01:49:34,440
um which was Bismarck so Bismarck

2617
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:36,060
started that

2618
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:38,760
and where am I here I was actually just

2619
01:49:44,810 --> 01:49:41,760
looking for the date of Bismarck late

2620
01:49:46,189 --> 01:49:44,820
1800s but I haven't even here

2621
01:49:49,490 --> 01:49:46,199
no I don't

2622
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:49,500
but after Bismarck your Third Reich was

2623
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:51,719
obviously Hitler which started the third

2624
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:54,239
Holy Roman Empire which is again neither

2625
01:49:59,149 --> 01:49:56,760
holy nor Roman it was always German

2626
01:50:01,370 --> 01:49:59,159
first right second right Third Reich

2627
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:01,380
and there is a forthright planned

2628
01:50:05,090 --> 01:50:03,540
whether people know it or not there was

2629
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:05,100
What's called the rat lines

2630
01:50:10,490 --> 01:50:08,880
and the Holy Roman Empire Church

2631
01:50:12,350 --> 01:50:10,500
in Italy

2632
01:50:14,930 --> 01:50:12,360
in the Vatican

2633
01:50:15,890 --> 01:50:14,940
in conjunction with the Red Cross which

2634
01:50:17,870 --> 01:50:15,900
was

2635
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,880
um creating passports for people to

2636
01:50:21,890 --> 01:50:19,440
leave the country because especially

2637
01:50:24,290 --> 01:50:21,900
with the Jewish populations the Nazis

2638
01:50:26,689 --> 01:50:24,300
took all their IDs they no longer were

2639
01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:26,699
considered people their passports were

2640
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,460
gone so the Red Cross was issuing

2641
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,199
emergency passports so they could leave

2642
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:34,080
the country a bishop in Milan

2643
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:36,840
with the approval of the Pope allowed

2644
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:40,320
them to make fake passports for war

2645
01:50:46,370 --> 01:50:43,199
criminals and that's why Joseph Mengele

2646
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:46,380
died of natural causes in I think it was

2647
01:50:52,250 --> 01:50:49,679
Belize in a beach on a beach in Belize

2648
01:50:56,570 --> 01:50:52,260
but he lived in Argentina in Argentina

2649
01:50:58,189 --> 01:50:56,580
today there are huge German areas where

2650
01:51:00,109 --> 01:50:58,199
only German has spoken and there's

2651
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:00,119
there's documentaries on this it's in

2652
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,119
different books it's in Doc it's in uh

2653
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:05,520
regular movies as well that are based on

2654
01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:07,080
you know the documentaries and based on

2655
01:51:14,090 --> 01:51:10,440
true stories but a fourth Reich a fourth

2656
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,100
Holy Roman Empire was supposed to uh

2657
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:16,800
start from South America and here's an

2658
01:51:20,930 --> 01:51:18,900
interesting thing most people think when

2659
01:51:23,689 --> 01:51:20,940
they think of thing you know Hitler and

2660
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:23,699
Himmler and all of the big names that

2661
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:25,440
that was it they're done

2662
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:27,540
they had children

2663
01:51:33,490 --> 01:51:29,820
Hitler's Children had children over

2664
01:51:36,109 --> 01:51:33,500
there of her own and himmler's kids

2665
01:51:37,010 --> 01:51:36,119
himmler's daughter and

2666
01:51:38,990 --> 01:51:37,020
um

2667
01:51:42,109 --> 01:51:39,000
I think it was Himmler

2668
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,119
I might be wrong some of the uh the war

2669
01:51:46,010 --> 01:51:44,400
criminals they had children and some of

2670
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,020
them and there's a whole book on this

2671
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,440
called um children of Nazis and it's

2672
01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:51,840
worthwhile and in that book children of

2673
01:51:57,709 --> 01:51:53,880
Nazis they talk about how some of these

2674
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:57,719
these descendants of Nazi war criminals

2675
01:52:03,530 --> 01:52:00,000
are actually going to skinhead meetings

2676
01:52:05,330 --> 01:52:03,540
and it reminds me in World War II he had

2677
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:05,340
three major divisions within the Nazis

2678
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:09,840
he had the SD the sa and the SS and

2679
01:52:14,090 --> 01:52:11,940
when you're dealing with the sa those

2680
01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:14,100
were the thugs on the street

2681
01:52:18,350 --> 01:52:16,440
we had Ramen all those guys they were

2682
01:52:20,689 --> 01:52:18,360
just the thugs that were starting

2683
01:52:23,209 --> 01:52:20,699
violence and they were used just to

2684
01:52:25,010 --> 01:52:23,219
incite people and then the SS came in

2685
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:25,020
and they were the ones in charge and

2686
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:27,000
it's almost like they're kind of doing

2687
01:52:32,270 --> 01:52:28,980
the same thing where they're making

2688
01:52:35,689 --> 01:52:32,280
contacts with Neo-Nazi you know

2689
01:52:37,850 --> 01:52:35,699
skinheads and those might be the on the

2690
01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:37,860
the ground soldiers that eventually the

2691
01:52:40,910 --> 01:52:39,780
Nazis themselves won't care about like

2692
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,920
they're going to help us start the

2693
01:52:43,790 --> 01:52:42,239
movement they're going to do what we

2694
01:52:47,410 --> 01:52:43,800
want them to do and then we don't care

2695
01:52:52,250 --> 01:52:50,350
the night of the

2696
01:52:54,890 --> 01:52:52,260
Long Knives

2697
01:52:56,689 --> 01:52:54,900
think of what the SS did the night of

2698
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:56,699
the Long Knives they went went through

2699
01:53:02,270 --> 01:53:00,300
their Nazi the sa and killed them all

2700
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,280
they killed everyone who was in charge

2701
01:53:05,330 --> 01:53:04,080
of every Division and then absorbed the

2702
01:53:07,550 --> 01:53:05,340
rest

2703
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,560
like they got rid of the real people in

2704
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,840
charge of the SA and the same thing

2705
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,000
Could Happen uh wouldn't they be

2706
01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:15,360
interested in uh the Spear of Destiny

2707
01:53:21,410 --> 01:53:18,780
the Himmler version so this this item is

2708
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:21,420
supposed to be the key to the resurgence

2709
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:28,790
that's crazy town everybody don't send

2710
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:31,860
me email about this I'm just the show

2711
01:53:38,270 --> 01:53:36,480
host but yeah yeah it's such um uh and

2712
01:53:40,370 --> 01:53:38,280
again when you follow this back and you

2713
01:53:43,129 --> 01:53:40,380
chase it back it is just absolutely

2714
01:53:44,209 --> 01:53:43,139
fascinating and so interesting

2715
01:53:46,609 --> 01:53:44,219
um I want to thank you for the

2716
01:53:49,010 --> 01:53:46,619
conversation tonight and and and and and

2717
01:53:51,229 --> 01:53:49,020
the big reveal

2718
01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:51,239
um I'm I'm just very curious about the

2719
01:53:56,090 --> 01:53:54,179
future of this item and and and and and

2720
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,100
what's going to happen next absolutely

2721
01:54:01,070 --> 01:53:59,040
fascinating when the book comes out uh

2722
01:54:02,570 --> 01:54:01,080
uh we'll have you back on the show and I

2723
01:54:04,850 --> 01:54:02,580
look forward to the next conversation

2724
01:54:07,729 --> 01:54:04,860
thank you so much again thank you for

2725
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:07,739
having me have a great time out there in

2726
01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:10,560
Hawaii behave and be well all right

2727
01:54:18,169 --> 01:54:13,800
thank you thank you so much Dr Kenneth

2728
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:18,179
Jeremiah so there you go the Spear of

2729
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:20,159
Destiny what a great presentation

2730
01:54:25,970 --> 01:54:22,920
tonight and I

2731
01:54:29,390 --> 01:54:25,980
um uh over the years I watched the

2732
01:54:31,310 --> 01:54:29,400
documentary by the way that he referred

2733
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:31,320
to earlier I've seen a few documentaries

2734
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,320
on it and I've I've tried to do my own

2735
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:36,960
Deep dive into it trying to figure out

2736
01:54:43,310 --> 01:54:39,780
actually what's going on and and I found

2737
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:43,320
out what his research has revealed which

2738
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:46,800
is there there are many copies of it and

2739
01:54:52,669 --> 01:54:49,920
what is sitting in in the museum in

2740
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,679
Vienna now you know is the real one here

2741
01:54:56,810 --> 01:54:54,480
in the United States did they get a

2742
01:55:00,050 --> 01:54:56,820
knockoff is there a knockoff of the

2743
01:55:02,090 --> 01:55:00,060
knockoff don't know all of this is

2744
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:02,100
fascinating what a great conversation

2745
01:55:09,970 --> 01:55:05,340
tonight thank you so much Ken and uh

2746
01:55:12,590 --> 01:55:09,980
Ken's website links are below and uh

2747
01:55:14,209 --> 01:55:12,600
kenjeremiah.com and there you go what a

2748
01:55:17,870 --> 01:55:14,219
great show tonight I want to thank

2749
01:55:20,770 --> 01:55:17,880
everybody for hanging out with us and uh

2750
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:20,780
tomorrow night I am doing

2751
01:55:26,090 --> 01:55:24,000
artificial intelligence all of that is

2752
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:26,100
going down tomorrow night Fade to Black

2753
01:55:30,890 --> 01:55:27,960
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2754
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01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:32,880
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2756
01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:36,380
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2757
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,060
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01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:41,040
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2759
01:55:46,490 --> 01:55:43,020
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2760
01:55:48,590 --> 01:55:46,500
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2761
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,600
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2762
01:55:52,370 --> 01:55:50,639
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2763
01:55:54,229 --> 01:55:52,380
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01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,239
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2765
01:55:58,609 --> 01:55:56,400
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2766
01:56:06,920 --> 01:55:58,619
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